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For low-income residents, Philadelphia unveiling income-based water bills
Philly.Com ^ | 06/19/2017 | Tricia L. Nadolny

Posted on 06/28/2017 6:05:18 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen

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To: socal_parrot

“California is rolling out income based traffic tickets. When you get a ticket, the fine will be based on your ability to pay.”

This is not inherently a bad idea. The fine might not be equal, but the punishment is.


21 posted on 06/28/2017 6:48:27 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day")
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To: Kid Shelleen

The unstated reality: in Philly, as in all major liberal cities, the gap between rich and poor increases faster than the national average, and the middle class shrinks.


22 posted on 06/28/2017 6:48:45 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: technically right

I knew a couple that rented an apartment about 40 years, utilities included. They just opened up the door on the gas stove/oven and let it heat the apartment in the winter. The whole time they wore shorts, summer clothes, left the doors open, etc. Hey, they weren’t paying for it.


23 posted on 06/28/2017 6:52:35 PM PDT by caver
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

MLK plagiarized more than 40% his dissertation. Boston University never revoked his degree so I guess he can be referred to as Dr. King.


24 posted on 06/28/2017 6:54:27 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Kid Shelleen

No surprise here. They take the same approach to water usage that ObamaCare took with health care.


25 posted on 06/28/2017 7:14:20 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: Kid Shelleen

About 20 years ago I lived in Macon, GA and had electricity supplied by Georgia Power. On every bill I got was a request to donate $5-$10-$20 to their fund “to help the poor with their power bills”.

After a while, I got ticked off and wrote them that it looked to me that the “help the poor” bit was just to guarantee that they got paid. Silence.

After a while, the request was changed to “help the poor insulate their homes”. I wrote that I would not contribute to that but would contribute to a fund that would loan them money at a low/no interest to insulate their houses and have them repay $1-$5 each month on their power bill - SOMETHING - so that they knew it wasn’t free. Silence

That last was done in California in the ‘70s wherein the power company made us a low cost loan to insulate our house and then got repaid by a small surcharge on our power bill. Worked out fine.


26 posted on 06/28/2017 7:25:04 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: socal_parrot

And they call that fair and just?


27 posted on 06/28/2017 7:31:27 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Aut Pax Aut Bellum

Those hoodies be taking five showers a day, and forget about turning the faucet off while brushing your teeth!


28 posted on 06/28/2017 7:34:08 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Kid Shelleen

So if your making your money off the books you get rewarded by the government?

Pavlov proved that you get more of the behavior that you reward.


29 posted on 06/28/2017 7:39:38 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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OK, how much is this going to cost me? I don't even live in Pennsylvania, but I'm sure I'm somehow going to have to pay for this anyway.

30 posted on 06/28/2017 8:38:19 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Kill: TWITTER, FACEBOOK, CNN, ESPN, NFL, NPR)
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To: Kid Shelleen

More socialism.


31 posted on 06/28/2017 10:10:55 PM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (Best Long Term Prepper Tactic: Beat The Muslim Demographic Tsnami - Have Big Families)
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To: caver

Remember when one of the tech companies ran commercials that said if you bought a laptop they’d give one to a kid in Africa for free? I think people quickly realized they were just buying two laptops and giving one away...

Rules are for white people - including paying for what we consume.


32 posted on 06/29/2017 2:36:44 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Vlad The Inhaler

Even with Republican administrations this has run unchecked; they have fit socialism into our tax code (especially with the “earned income credit”, where your refund can exceed your taxes paid), college admissions (”need-based” grants, loans, etc.), Section 8 housing and spreading the costs of takers to pools of makers with “affordable housing” laws...

Here in NJ the best way for people to minimize (though not eliminate) their tax burdens is to simply rent instead of buy; now we have a huge surplus of housing - particularly detached single-family homes - that nobody wants or can afford.


33 posted on 06/29/2017 4:19:40 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Kid Shelleen

What the clueless Democrats don’t understand is they don’t want to pay a DIME for it. They want it to be free. They want everything to be free


34 posted on 06/29/2017 4:22:21 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: caver

Remember the shut-off stories in Detroit, where people simply wouldn’t pay their bills? We’re still providing the water, and enough food to swell them to diabetic proportions.

I hope they enjoy the free ride on the last generation of white people; Philly will be one of the first areas to revert to Somalia at this rate.


35 posted on 06/29/2017 4:22:28 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

Oh yes, I remember that. The other sob story going on now is the Flint water situation. The water just doesn’t become undrinkable overnight. I don’t think we’ve heard the real story there.


36 posted on 06/29/2017 4:30:40 AM PDT by caver
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To: Kid Shelleen

Four score and seven years ago our forefathers bought forth upon this continent a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal except when it comes to paying one’s water bill. No that isn’t what Abraham Lincoln said.

This is creeping communism because it is being facilated by a branch of government. So is the debacle known as Obama phones. We makers are being forced to provide for the takers over and over again. This behavior is unsustainable.

When the covered wagons headed west there were no “safety nets” of any kind. When the pilgrims boarded tha Mayflower there were none. There was freedom to live or die according to one’s own initiative. That is what made America great and separated it from the rest of the world for about 200 years. The descent towards mediocrity began with Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society. Each year it accelerates and has not yet reached its terminal velocity.


37 posted on 06/29/2017 6:57:56 AM PDT by Saltmeat
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To: Kid Shelleen

I have mixed feelings on this. As a Soc. Sec. recipient with no other income & a very small savings,we continually have to cope with rising utility bills as well as other rising costs with no real prospect of keeping up with it. I have no solution for this,but can see the points of both sides of the issue.


38 posted on 06/29/2017 10:06:23 AM PDT by oldtech
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