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NFL reduces overtime period from 15 minutes to 10, but why?
Yahoo ^ | 05/23/2017 | Eric Edholm

Posted on 05/23/2017 11:34:41 AM PDT by Phlap

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To: Bratch
One quarterback, 1 center, 4 wide receivers vs 1 nose tackle, 1 linebacker and 4 defensive backs

That's ridonculous.

A Vince Wilfork type Nose tackle knocks the center on his arse and the Clay Matthews type LB has a free shot at a slow moving Tom Brady type QB? Yeah...no possibility of a franchise QB going down for good with that setup.

41 posted on 05/23/2017 12:40:15 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Good judgement comes from experience. And experience? Well, that comes from poor judgement.)
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To: Phlap

No problem here with a 10 min. OT so long as if it ends in a tie both teams meet at mid-field and go at it.

The team with the last man standing wins.


42 posted on 05/23/2017 12:41:56 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Deportation mayhem is just birthing pains for a new America.)
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To: The people have spoken

It was never above about 55%. The “problem” is they had a series of overtime playoff games where famous well regarded QBs never got on the field in OT so they decided they needed a “fairer” system that guaranteed each high priced QB would get on the field at least once. Always a stupid deal, either team can score on any play in football, sure the defensive team is less likely to score, but it’s not like baseball. And heck the Bears won 2 OT games in a row on turnovers run back for TDs.

Sudden deal or not at all. The college system stinks. It’s basically penalty kicks, which stink.


43 posted on 05/23/2017 12:43:31 PM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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To: discostu
I hate ties in sports -- mainly because in low-scoring sports like hockey and soccer there was a tendency for coaches to play for a tie in many games instead of pushing for a win.

I don't think the lack of ties is what makes the NFL's tiebreaker system so bizarre. What's driving that is an expanded league with imbalanced schedules, many divisions, and multiple wild card teams in the playoffs. You're starting to see a similar issue creep into MLB in some seasons now, too.

44 posted on 05/23/2017 12:45:47 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Saltmeat

If you’re going to scale FG points it should be more points from further in. Don’t reward teams for having a stronger kicker, reward teams for gaining more yards.


45 posted on 05/23/2017 12:46:04 PM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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To: discostu
If you’re going to scale FG points it should be more points from further in. Don’t reward teams for having a stronger kicker, reward teams for gaining more yards.

Ditto for the 3-point shot in basketball. It ruined the game.

46 posted on 05/23/2017 12:47:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: beelzepug
Okay, but the place kicker only gets to kick once.

-PJ

47 posted on 05/23/2017 12:50:07 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Alberta's Child

The problem with the NHL OT system is it actually encourages teams to relax the last few minutes of regulation to “preserve” a point, the last 5 minutes of tied regulation are boring. And having value of the games vary on how long they take stinks. If they must vary the points by length it should go the reverse:
3 points for a regulation win
2 points for an OT win
1 point for a shootout win
0 points for losers no matter when they lose
That would encourage teams to play all out and score all the time, not just a burst of energy in OT for the second point.


48 posted on 05/23/2017 12:50:12 PM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Americans and Canadians really get a rash from ties. Most of the rest of the world is OK with them.

The tiebreaker system in the NFL is crazy because with a 16 game season there’s just not enough variants in results. Without ties there’s only 17 possible season results with 32 teams your guaranteed ties in the standings so then you need ways to break them, and with a league where everybody doesn’t play everybody you need to start digging into odd stats (and eventually a coin toss). If you add ties in (I’m really for no regular season OT) and a “normal” point system (2 for a win 1 for a tie, 0 for losing) you get 33 possible standings results and the actual numerical possibility (though not exactly likely) of no ties. You also get an additional tiebreaker of wins over ties.


49 posted on 05/23/2017 12:59:27 PM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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To: dfwgator

But you’d have to reduce the dunk points, dunks are boring.


50 posted on 05/23/2017 1:00:27 PM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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To: Phlap

I don’t see the problem with tied games at the end of official play.

Computers can still figure out standings. Right?

Any ties in standings at the end of the season can be can be worked out through the play off process.


51 posted on 05/23/2017 1:01:14 PM PDT by Clutch Martin (Hot sauce asie, every culture has its pancake, just as every culture has its noodle.)
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To: discostu
But you’d have to reduce the dunk points, dunks are boring.

No style anymore like back with Dr. J or Jordan.

52 posted on 05/23/2017 1:02:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

To me a win is a win. What difference does it make if it takes an extra minute?


53 posted on 05/23/2017 1:04:24 PM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumper sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: discostu
Good point. But I don't think I'd like a system with varying the value of wins while keeping the value of a loss fixed. I would prefer a system where every game is worth 3 points. If the game ends in regulation, the winner gets 3 points and the loser gets 0. If it ends in OT, the winner gets 2 and the loser 1.

For me, giving the losing team in OT one point isn't a reward for failure so much as an acknowledgement that the OT period was played under a 3-on-3 scenario that simply isn't the same as normal hockey rules.

No shootouts -- period.

54 posted on 05/23/2017 1:05:54 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child

In soccer a tie is one point whereas a win is three points. So a tie actually feels like a loss, since a team drops two points.


55 posted on 05/23/2017 1:07:40 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: discostu

In the NFL, the problem has been exacerbated in recent years by the plague of parity. I think I’ve seen more playoff teams with 9-7 records (and worse) in the last 15 years than in my entire lifetime before that.


56 posted on 05/23/2017 1:08:40 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child

Problem with that is you still get both teams turtling the last 5 minutes of regulation to protect that point. I don’t mind rewarding a team that gets to OT, but I do mind wasting those 5 minutes with puck handling drills disguised as hockey.


57 posted on 05/23/2017 1:13:54 PM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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To: dfwgator

I just don’t like the way it screws up the point totals at the end of the season. All games should be worth the same number of points no matter how they are won or lost.


58 posted on 05/23/2017 1:14:00 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: discostu

There’s nothing wrong with ties during a regular season. The point is to evaluate the best teams over the course of a season. There’s a big difference between a team with 50 wins, with all of those wins coming in regulation, than a team with 50 wins with 10 of those wins coming in OT.


59 posted on 05/23/2017 1:15:49 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Alberta's Child

It got exacerbated by that stupid “everybody gets a turn” rule. I think all of the games that have ended in ties since then both teams got a FG, under the old rules they all would have ended on the first possession.

Parity isn’t really the source of the 9-7 playoff teams, it’s clustering. The league keeps getting at least one division that all sucks, and somebody has to win that division. While I do think winning the division should be the path to the playoffs I wouldn’t mind seeing a 10-6 proviso on that, if you can’t win your division at 10-6 or better you didn’t really win, we’re going to go get a wild card team from one of the divisions that doesn’t suck. There really isn’t as much parity in the NFL as the league wants people to think.


60 posted on 05/23/2017 1:20:11 PM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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