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To: drewh

Club for Growth/Koch Bros are getting their money’s worth with this Freedom Cuck-us scam.


2 posted on 03/30/2017 11:50:07 AM PDT by proust (Trump / Pence 2016!)
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To: proust

I reluctantly forward this Pastor Chuck Baldwin rant and fully expect to catch unholy hell from fellow Trump supporters (of which I am still one). You will find it at the link at the very bottom.

There are a number of Chuck’s comments with which I take issue — SERIOUS issue (one being Israel v. Zionism) — BUT much of what he writes squares with points I attempted to make in the 7 minute video I produced over 7 years ago here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkyEtw8lBtI

And, of course, there is the MAJOR ISSUE that the dissembling, divisive criminal Hillary Clinton would have been much, much worse.

As is true of ALL elections, 2016 was a choice between two flawed human beings by equally flawed human voters who had grown weary and angry about the country’s slide into the abyss. Trump, who was not just another Beltway insider and had no track record, won the day.
It MAY be too early to know just where Mr. Trump is taking us, but I BEG you to read this piece with an open mind so that you can be alert to further signs that Baldwin MAY be right.

And, of course, there’s the distinct possibility that the world has become so screwed up by the Deep State apparatchiks, intelligence “spooks” and Globalists that NOTHING can be done to right our course. As I reread that, a small tear came forth for my children, grand children and great grand children. Consider cremation as they might dig many of us just to spit in our faces for the mess we left behind!

Now, it’s off to my underground bunker to brace for what I anticipate will be a firestorm of incoming! (Some of it, sadly, from otherwise good folks who declare they detest the current PC goal of shutting down dissenting viewpoints.)

http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/3581/This-Is-Not-Going-To-End-Well.aspx


3 posted on 03/30/2017 11:50:58 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (THE 4TH ESTATE HERE HAS BECOME A 5TH COLUMN. DIDN'T WE IMPRISON TOKYO ROSE???)
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To: proust

This Tuesday Group of RINOs were abandoning Ryancare in greater numbers than the Freedom Caucus.
Blame them.


6 posted on 03/30/2017 11:53:26 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: proust

I’m sick of the FC, I’m sick of the Tuesday club, I’m sick of every other caucus. The Republicans are just as bad as the Democrats. Why can’t anybody actually attempt to govern?

Trump needs to either get all these ass clowns in a room together and figure out how to get something done or he can just call a special session of Congress and tell them they’re not leaving until thhe get an acceptable bill on his desk to sign. This is ridiculous.


8 posted on 03/30/2017 11:54:37 AM PDT by usafa92 (Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States)
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To: proust
hey, the Koch's bought and paid for that veto power! :)

Pass Mo Brooks BILL NOW! Brooks submits no-nonsense bill to repeal Obamacare http://www.catholic.org/news/politics/story.php?id=74243

10 posted on 03/30/2017 11:57:05 AM PDT by drewh (>>)
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To: proust

Koch Brothers bad, Club for Growth bad, Socialism is great as long as our guys are the ones in charge!!!!!!

Did I click on the wrong forum???


21 posted on 03/30/2017 12:09:29 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: proust
Au contraire!

Koch Bros. (Club for Growth, Americans for Prosperity, etc.) are not at all on the same page as Freedom Caucus but both groups have disdain Ryancare.

Koch, et al are Libertarian in philosophy (some used to call themselves "fiscal conservatives" but could care less about pro-life issues, biblical marriage, and lean toward lax or no anti-drug laws, legal prostitution, etc.) but encourage open borders, whereas Freedom Caucus want borders closed, illegals sent packing and employers punished for knowingly hiring illegals or looking the other way.

You could say some of the largest GOP RINOs fit the Tuesday group to a tee.

The all voted to repeal Obamacare when they were assured their aye votes on repeal and replace, were slop to their hometown rubes, to continue getting reelected and funds to live as they "deserve," far from their hometown riffraff.

31 posted on 03/30/2017 12:22:29 PM PDT by zerosix ( Native Sunflower)
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To: proust

Club for Growth/Koch Bros are getting their money’s worth with this Freedom Cuck-us scam.


Why would you say this?

Do you have campaign documents indicating that they were funded this past election cycle by Club for Growth?

The majority of Freedom Caucus supported Trump for President...

The Tuesday group is the progressive liberal wing of Republican party. They are Democrats for all intents and purposes. For your and others’ information: (as per Wikipedia)

It was founded in 1994 in the wake of the Republican takeover of the House. The Republican House caucus was dominated by conservative Republicans and the Tuesday Group was founded to counterbalance that conservative trend. There were approximately 40 members when it was founded.[2] In 2007 the Tuesday Group founded its own political action committee (PAC).[3]

The co-chairs of the Tuesday Group were Charlie Dent, Robert Dold, and Adam Kinzinger from 2015–2017,[1] and currently Dent, Tom MacArthur and Elise Stefanik from 2017.[4]

Former co-chairs include Charlie Bass, Mike Castle, Jo Ann Emerson, Mark Kirk, and Fred Upton.[2][5] Members have included Judy Biggert, Sherwood Boehlert, Tom Davis, Mike Fitzpatrick, Mark Foley, Jim Gerlach, Nancy Johnson, Sue Kelly, Jim Kolbe, Ray LaHood, Leonard Lance, Jim Leach, John McKernan, Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Bob Michel, Todd Platts, Jim Ramstad, Dave Reichert, Joe Schwarz, Chris Shays, Rob Simmons, Olympia Snowe, James Walsh, and Heather Wilson[2][3][6]

This group should be on the GOP wall of shame, and I don’t know how Trump, the “Clean the Swamp” candidate can be so eager to do business with them versus the Freedom Caucus.

I have no problem with Koch brothers providing funds for primary elections if Trump and RINO/GOPe end up primarying them. Again, majority of them supported Trump by the end of the campaign, and many at the beginning.


40 posted on 03/30/2017 12:32:28 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out - D. Horowitz)
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To: proust
Collins said he thinks the Freedom Caucus is just trying to shift blame for the repeal bill’s failure last week by talking about such a meeting.

Really? That's why the Sniveling Coward Lyin Ryan pulled the bill? Because it would have exposed those that voted against it as all FC Members? Yeah I believe you as much as I believe you stand for Smaller Constitutional Government.

55 posted on 03/30/2017 1:27:48 PM PDT by VRWCarea51 (The Original 1998 Version)
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To: proust

Club for Growth/Koch Bros are getting their money’s worth with this Freedom Cuck-us scam.


Oh I actually did your research for you...These are the average campaign costs:

https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/cost.php
Repubs

Average raised: $1,799,784
Average Spent: $1,726,824

Average Cash on Hand $544,729

Average from PACS: $817,830
Average from Individual: $864,599

The average amount donated by Koch in 2016 Congressional Races to Freedom Caucus members was between $5000-10,000 with highest and only $15,000 going to Ron DeSantis and lowest to Gary Palmer at $1000. These were similar amounts that they gave to many Republicans too.

Paul Ryan got $39,522 and Tom Pompeo got 71,100 so maybe that is where you should be directing your remarks.
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=d000000186&cycle=2016&state=&party=&chamber=&sort=N&page=3

I am not sure of the discussions and circumstances behind closed doors, but Ryan’s bill was a turd and did nothing to drain the swamp through REPEAL.


56 posted on 03/30/2017 1:30:29 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out - D. Horowitz)
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