They've won concessions.
As it stands now it's the RINOs who are mostly blocking the bill. RINOs opposing the new bill:
And maybe 5 to 7 HFC conservative/libertarians.
Seems Trump can squeeze out the few votes left to get.
Posted on 03/23/2017 8:02:07 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
We keep giving them the votes. We gave them the House. They said they needed the Senate. We gave them the Senate. They said they needed the Executive. We gave them Trump. Every time we elect them they stab us in the back.
If we give them a veto proof majority they will still find excuses. The GOP is uniparty, not American.
It looks like the conservatives (Freedom Caucus) is winning...
“Phil Mattingly;Verified account; @Phil_Mattingly · 5m5 minutes ago
The steady stream of GOPers coming out of Ryan’s office are, almost to a person, either pissed, frustrated or refusing to comment.”
These are the RINOs, Ryan’s base of support. He’s giving them bad news.
This is what law making looks like....I am happy to see this happening, frankly.
We are used to seeing, the past eight years, of an autocrat dictating the law and a subservient legislature rubber stamping. The Republicans are demonstrating they are a group that WORKS OUT THEIR DIFFERENCES. The media is trying to make it look bad, but in the long run people appreciate debate...
I applaud the Freedom Caucus for standing strong, but also for continuing the conversation. Important.
That cannot be said enough. The last 8 years Congress has had to rush legislation as a rubber stamp for Obama. Let the process work itself out. The Freedom Caucus is getting valuable concessions right now as we speak.
I’m torn on this. While what is proposed is better than the garbage we have now, it’s not full repeal.
But the issue is the previous system wasn’t great either. Uninsured going to the ER for healthcare because they have to give them care isn’t good for anyone (except the freeloaders). This is becoming a Social Security like issue.
Social Security is crap too, but until we are ready to let old people who made poor decisions with their finances live the consequences of those decisions we need someone to force the idiots to save money. (forget the issue that the politicians steal that money to buy votes).
The issue is pretty much the same with healthcare. Until we are willing to let people suffer from their poor decisions to buy a brand new car and buy beer every week instead of paying for healthcare—then we need to put something in place that makes those types of people pay.
When democrats say our plan is to let people die. In reality that would be a does of good medicine for everyone. Let charity step in and help. But keep gov’t out of it. The problem is the previous system had gov’t intrusion as well by mandating ERs take everyone. We aren’t really taking a principled stand when we say just repeal Obamacare. We need to say repeal all medical care laws. Only then will the free market truly be free.
If we aren’t calling for that then we are really arguing over what do we think the best gov’t involvement will be.
I’m hoping that President Trump doesn’t come out today with new threats against the Freedom Caucus for simply demanding he do what he campaigned on...Full Repeal!
If Trump didn’t want to do a full repeal, or wanted to do this in phases, then he shouldn’t have came out at each and every rally saying that he was going to fully REPEAL Obamacare.
Maybe Trump has a some grand strategy here, but I’m not comfortable with him and Pence and their defense of RyanCare.
The best government involvement is NO government involvement.
The Constitution does not authorize the fedguv to meddle in, or prescribe, healthcare.
The Constitution also does not authorize the fedguv to protect people from their poor choices.
A single Senator doesn’t have that power. He can be clotured.
You would be living with Canada style NHS single payer healthcare right now were it not for the Filibuster you want to gut. You would also have lost your right to bear arms were it not for the Filibuster.
What do you not get about this? THEY HAD 60 VOTES! They had them. We don’t. They lost a vote and couldn’t kill the right to bear arms, because their Pelosi House was ready with a bill to regulate them away. The GOP Filibuster is all that stopped it.
And maybe 5 to 7 HFC conservative/libertarians.
Seems Trump can squeeze out the few votes left to get.
What is wrong with the Freedom Caucus getting additional conservative concessions? I know that full repeal will not happen, but there is no reason that Ryan’s bill has to be the final version.
Any idea why these RINOs are against the revised bill??
Lots of Republicans from Northeastern states on that list. These are the reps. whose constituents are older than average and/or illegal immigrants. These are the people who have the most to lose if Obamacare changes dramatically.
The head of the Freedom Caucus who was allegedly threatened by Trump came out yesterday and gave Trump an “A+++” for his work with Congress on this bill.
They can try to add stuff back in on the Senate side. I don’t know if they would have the votes to do so.
I am liking this bill more now, especially if RINOs are jumping off the train.
Agree. Same here!!
Why is it so strange to think that a bill might need amendments to pass? Ryan’s position was that it was his way or the highway. I hear others attacking the Freedom Caucus for asking for amendments to the bill. That is the way legislation should work - compromises are made.
Does this bill end the mandate to buy?
I shouldn’t without checking, but I’d say most are in states that expanded medicaid. They want the federal subsidy to continue as long as possible- or forever.
But, heck, I don’t even know what’s in the bill now!
All we have to look at are tea leaves and bird entrails.
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