Posted on 03/15/2017 5:12:46 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
The “rhythm method” is not the one that has a 98% claimed success rate. The NFP method which they are referring to as “Creighton” is a/k/a “the ovulation method” and that is the one that works so well. We can tell you that it is effective and understandable because that is what my wife and I learned and used starting in 1983.
Now it is not what one would call super-simple but neither is it inconvenient. But people are always making excuses about “that’s too hard”. So if anyone is interested in NFP they would be well-advised to get real instruction from someone who is certified.
Don’t trust some app from some outfit that doesn’t have pro-life bona fides.
Well, not to be indelicate, but it was recently revealed that a company who makes intimate devices that came with an app collected personally identifiable information on the people using the product.
“I don’t think the FDA is saying you can’t market it without their approval. But their approval would help, e.g. might pave the way for insurance to cover it.”
What?
I didn’t put a /s on my post. Didn’t think I needed it. Hopefully you forgot yours also.
I think it’s called the rhythm method.
No, you’re a couple decades behind. “Rhythm” was a predictive, calendar-only reckoning methid which was used from, like, the 1940’s until the 70’s or so. Then real-time (not predictive) ovulation-detecting methods were developed, like Creighton. Much more accurate, especially for women with irregular cycles, post-partum or lactating, and which required a lot less abstaining but, still, careful charting.
Other people developed systems of self- observation which could be used even by the illiterate: for instance I read that Mother Teresa’s sisters taught an ovulation detecting method to 100,000 illiterate women in India in the 1980’s (and are presumably still teaching it in the countries where they have missions.)
This digital app based on personalized algorithms kicks it way up yet another notch.
It just occurred to that you could call it the Algorithm Method. :o)
Data is good. With more accurate data, people can, in theory, better evaluate their options. Also, some accept information more readily if it comes from a smartphone than if it’s written with a pencil.
It’s not surprising that casual readers say “rhythm method” dismissively; they probably heard it as a joke in the 1960s regarding why some of “those people” had more than two children.
What is surprising, and very unfortunate, is how many medical practitioners are still utterly uninformed both about natural fertility awareness and about breastfeeding.
Avoid sex when your body wants it most??? Have the babies instead. They are God’s precious inheritance.
Sounds more reasonable than the horrid side effect riddled Pill. Never could take them.
What about allowing women to tie their tubes tied at a much earlier age, creating a permanent birth control method. They can be made reversible if the patient wants that. There are age restriction on tubligations now. https://community.babycenter.com/post/a27096155/age_restrictions_on_having_tubes_tied
Catholic hospitals won’t perform them. We ran into that issue with my mother after her second horrible miscarriage, her life was endanger if she got pregnant again. She nearly bleed to death on the second one as she was 5 months along, first just 2 months.
I had mine tied at 33 when I had my second C-Section. Never regretted it. Never had to worry about another baby. 4 were enough. This is not our grand parents age when 8 kids was the average to do farm work. No fuss, muss, pills, or kits to mess with.
We already have P sticks that tell you when you are fertile. This is just another step in that direction.
Sounds like a version of the Ovulation calculator. http://www.ovulation-calculator.com/ovulation-tests/fertility-monitors.htm
Just use other methods or protection on those days. If you don’t want more children get a tub-ligation. There should be no age restriction on one. It can be made reversible.
I agree with your pro- baby point of view. Which is probably the baby’s point of view as well. I’m just thinking of people who really, reasonably want to postpone pregnancy for a while, maybe for employment or medical or insurance reasons, or competing obligations like caring for declining parents in their final months or days, who knows?
If they know can postpone and then later have a baby again whenever they’re ready and able, that will greatly lessen their temptation to do something self-mutilating like sterilization.
God designed our bodies brilliantly, come to think of it. We just have to get brilliant to be good “ministers” of the sources of life.
Upon consideration of the evidence of other people’s experience over the long haul, I’d argue that it’s wrong to get yourself sterilized because it’s back to the old view of “Women are acceptable, but only if they’re doctored or functionally disabled or “fixed.””
If you “fix” a miscarriage risk by sabotaging your normal healthy fertility, you never bother with the medical root cause of what was causing those miscarriages to begin with. It tends to be, in practice (if not in intent) a way to dismiss the woman on the cheap, rather than spend the time to figure out where the actual malfunction was.
It’s kinds like the mechanic saying, “We don’t know what’s causing your car engine’s pinging, grating, grinding noises, so we just went with blocking the sound.”
Upon consideration of the evidence of other people’s experience over the long haul, I’d argue that it’s wrong to get yourself sterilized because it’s back to the old view of “Women are acceptable, but only if they’re doctored or functionally disabled or “fixed.””
If you “fix” a miscarriage risk by sabotaging your normal healthy fertility, you never bother with the medical root cause of what was causing those miscarriages to begin with. It tends to be, in practice (if not in intent) a way to dismiss the woman on the cheap, rather than spend the time to figure out where the actual malfunction was.
It’s kinds like the mechanic saying, “We don’t know what’s causing your car engine’s pinging, grating, grinding noises, so we just went with blocking the sound.”
Upon consideration of the evidence of other people’s experience over the long haul, I’d argue that it’s wrong to get yourself sterilized because it’s back to the old view of “Women are acceptable, but only if they’re doctored or functionally disabled or “fixed.””
If you “fix” a miscarriage risk by sabotaging your normal healthy fertility, you never bother with the medical root cause of what was causing those miscarriages to begin with. It tends to be, in practice (if not in intent) a way to dismiss the woman on the cheap, rather than spend the time to figure out where the actual malfunction was.
It’s kinds like the mechanic saying, “We don’t know what’s causing your car engine’s pinging, grating, grinding noises, so we just went with blocking the sound.”
Upon consideration of the evidence of other people’s experience over the long haul, I’d argue that it’s wrong to get yourself sterilized because it’s back to the old view of “Women are acceptable, but only if they’re doctored or functionally disabled or “fixed.””
If you “fix” a miscarriage risk by sabotaging your normal healthy fertility, you never bother with the medical root cause of what was causing those miscarriages to begin with. It tends to be, in practice (if not in intent) a way to dismiss the woman on the cheap, rather than spend the time to figure out where the actual malfunction was.
It’s kinds like the mechanic saying, “We don’t know what’s causing your car engine’s pinging, grating, grinding noises, so we just went with blocking the sound.”
Don’t know why that came out in triplicate. But it bears repeating!
Anyone who’s done NFP knows this is total bullstool. The body’s signals are not foolproof nearing and passing ovulation. There are THREE signs to watch for. One is the app-able easy sign of temperature. So that is the only sign they use! The other two involve more intimate and slightly more subjective calculations.
What a rip off. By marking only the most obvious safe days re basal body temperature, they have slapped newer tech onto ancient science. Like a sundial app.
Even done perfectly, you can still conceive on NFP. Unless you only want a few absolutely safe days a month in which to have sex, OR you just want a few days to leave your condoms in the drawer.
With that said, it is very good for girls and women to understand their cycles. It can also show some problems that they can work on early (such as too short cycles, too low progesterone to support pregnancy, and many other differences).
One thing I do like is that it is not being marketed to just Catholics. I don’t think it is healthy for women to be taking drugs for a significant part of their lives.
Most people who have tubal ligation end up with serious problems. At least 50%. They don’t always know where their problems come from. It is a BAD thing to do.
Vasectomies also cause problems but far less often.
Amen
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