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To: Weirdad

The medical community just could not resist the government offer to let it pay for medical care. Now it is time to have a separation of health care and government, just as it is time to have a separation of education and government. In fact, government has taken over areas of the private sphere for which it has no enumerated powers and for which it is unsuited to control.

I for one am all for getting doctors out of the business of regulating health care. I own my body, my body is not owned by government, nor by the medical community in collusion with government.


3 posted on 03/14/2017 7:04:34 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

Time to separate health care from greedy share holder owned insurance companies and their overpaid officers.


6 posted on 03/14/2017 8:21:43 PM PDT by amihow
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To: theBuckwheat

I agree.

However it is not the REAL medical community that failed to resist. It’s the FAKE medical community, which is a small minority of elitists.

Most doctors wanted to work for themselves when they chose medicine, and doctors only made big groups when a fascist structure arose from on high, part related to insurance diversions from WW2 on, and partly from Medicare on (1965), making medicine became too complex to navigate without a big group, and lots of staff help.

Doctors can try to drop Medicare and Medicaid, and some have, but if they want to include hospital practice in their practices, not private low-level type hospitals but, real general hospitals with trauma services and all the warts, then it was made essentially impossible to do that without “taking” government coverage, it means that they have to kiss up to all the warped and politically correct garbage that goes with fascist control of an industry.

The “medical community” that “failed to resist,” (really that HELPED this crap happen), is the ever-present busybody ELITISTS in medicine, who would rather live their lives accumulating power over others than be doctors.

To resist almost anything in medicine doctors have to become a community activist and spend all their time trying to infiltrate and control organizations like the AMA, state medical boards, government jobs that make regulations, etc.

It is the equivalent of “going into politics” instead of having a “real” job. Few doctors want to do this after training for 11 to 16 years post high school. This leaves the dang “true believer” elitists seeking power to secretly steal control.

Moreover, as seems to happen too often in MANY organizations, medical organizations that do have “normal” doctors tend to want to have “executive staff” working all the time. This is just like the dang regulatory fascists that President Trump is having to pry out of power now to keep them from wrongly sinking the efforts of what is supposed to be a new government.

Example of takeovers in medicine:

There is a group called the STFM (Society of Teachers of Family Medicine).

It is the main group that doctors who teach young family doctors join to be collaborte with academic doctors who do the same types of things.

It is owned by the AAFP (American Association of Family Physicians), which is the big “subspecialty” group of family doctors.

This STFM group has been OUT OF CONTROL for a long time with terrible leadership who invited horrible liberal criminals like Angela Davis to be their keynote speakers. (Why her of all people to talk to a group that educates family doctors?)

However most of the STFM members and the AAFP members themselves are salt of the earth type of people, many in small towns, and they hate the garbage going on in family medicine.

Well, there used to be a normal “nomination process” and a few people for each slot got place for and office, and a membership vote took place, and someone got chosen.

However, the EXECUTIVE staff, the people who get paid to sit in an office and thing they own the organization, THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG, decided that they did not like the “diversity” and other things of the people getting nominated. So knowing that many members do not vote, they made a proposal that basically the EXECUTIVE STAFF and maybe some other ringers would pick the nominees, and there would be ONE PICK for every office, and the members would then “get” to vote for a ballot with one person to vote for in every office!

My mother taught be growing up that THAT IS WHAT THEY DID IN THE USSR!

Multiply that type of thing by every one of the MANY organization in Medicine, and you have the “community organizer elites” of medicine getting to do all the Gruberized private-government collaborations in medicine. They make up all the crap, they hide it until it can be sprung into place right past all the doctors doing all the real work, etc.

And, as you say (and I), if we would stick to constitutionally limited government none of these posers could implement their stupid fascism because it is illegal. But when no one seems to be able to read the 9th and 10th amendments crap happens.

And the final problem is that many doctors tend to be “pleasers” so there are plenty of good boys and girls at hospitals and in schools who want to please, want to fit in, and when a new rule comes down from above, they don’t complain like good little pleasers, and they implement.

There is not a significant trace of “civil disobedience” in hospitals and big clinics.

And even if there was, if it happened in a significant number of independent entities, there would be hell to pay with the antitrust laws, yet another violation of our unalienable rights, which needs to change. Refusing to go along with unmitigated crap should never be illegal.


7 posted on 03/15/2017 12:47:48 AM PDT by Weirdad (Orthodox Americanism: It's what's good for the world! (Not communofascism!))
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To: theBuckwheat

With no regs, to protect consumers no bad doc, bad drug or bad hospital would face consequences of bad product or bad medical care.

Being on the Medicare and Tricare Life end, they are NOT ENTITLEMENTS but prepaid health care from taxes we paid or Military 20+ yr career being over deployed, shot at, maimed. Add in under paid to choose that career. With both FIXED/RATIONED programs Congress dictates what you are allowed. Worse than private ins as docs and hospitals don’t want you, to slow and to low reimbursement.

That does not mean they can or should get away charging $800 for a $15 IV solution.

“I for one am all for getting doctors out of the business of regulating health care. I own my body, my body is not owned by government, nor by the medical community in collusion with government.”

Then the incestuous relationship between congress, health industry lobbyist, Big Pharma that needs to be broken up under the Stevens Monopoly Act, and FDA needs to end. If docs were forced to reveal ALL the side effects of drugs and FDA forced to removed FLAGGED and Black Boxed drugs we have better health care. And don’t try and practice out of your field. A Internist is not a Endocrinologist. Endo’s have 4 more years of education, before they go thru internship and recency training. A ignorant doc will kill or maim you.

And people with Chronic health conditions need health care to live many extra conditions are caused by the BAD drugs the corrupt FDA cleared then had to Flag or Black Box which docs ignore now. Other wise you create a EUGENICS POOL of patients. No better than Planned Parenthood.


9 posted on 03/15/2017 5:10:51 AM PDT by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up Buttercups it's President Donald Trump! DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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