Posted on 03/14/2017 1:21:17 AM PDT by cotton1706
However, Cruz’s strategy – which would leverage the power Vice President Mike Pence has as president of the Senate – “might blow up the Senate too,” Bloomberg Politics notes.
One of the main complaints Republican lawmakers have with the new health care reform bill is that it employs many of the same provisions as its predecessor, with some even labelling it “Obamacare Lite.”
The Hill explains exactly why the scope of this bill is so limited:
House Republicans left several reforms popular with conservatives out of their health care bill because the parliamentarian is likely to rule them outside the scope of special rules in the upper chamber that prevent a Democratic filibuster.
These special rules hinge on what is known as “reconciliation,” a process that allows legislation that affects the budge, but has a limited scope to be passed with only a simple Senate majority, which makes them immune to filibuster.
Traditionally, it has fallen to the parliamentarian – who advises the Senate “on the interpretation of its rules and procedures” – to determine what should and should not be considered a reconciliation bill.
However, Cruz’s strategy – which would leverage the power Vice President Mike Pence has as president of the Senate – “might blow up the Senate too,” Bloomberg Politics notes.
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Trump has all along, been saying “repeal, and replace”.
Trump won the election. Not Cruz.
(because of this, it is possible)
Is pre-existing a personal thing for you?
So a rule created by the Senate could “blow up” the Senate?
I support Trump on this issue. I do not support Cruz. I have been a Trump supporter since before he even announced his candidacy. I support Trump. 100%.
I understand Cruz really motivated (motivates?) a number of FReepers.
I understand Jim Thompson said hooray to the repeal of Obamacare. I get that this is a ‘repeal’ sort of website.
That is great. This seems to be the only issue I have any sort of disagreement with the owner about. Otherwise I think this website is single-handedly the finest anywhere.
This place rules, I am here because I (really) like the website, a lot.
But I do think Trump has the right approach.
You cannot just pull insurance from 15 million people.
That is not a good plan, for regrowing the party.
And that is badly needed.
It might blow up the Senate, eh?
Im assured that will not be a problem... since Pelosi crammed Obamacare thru Congress by an improper parliamentary maneuver in the first place, and Pelosi refused to let anybody see or read or analyse the bill before forcing a vote on it, and since Obama made a lying deal for needed votes by promising the bill would not fund abortions when it does....
and none of THAT blew up the Senate
(not to mention Pelosi doctoring the ‘Obama is eligible for the presidency’ paperwork.....and Obama serving illegally in the office for 8 long years destroying USA while Congress failed to “blow up” or even impeach him)
Do you have someone counting cadence so you remember to breathe?
“You cannot just pull insurance from 15 million people.”
That seems to be just about the same number of people ObamaCare displaced and forced them to purchase Shiite plans.
I don’t think a full repeal would actually pull insurance, but you know everyone would SAY so.
The issue I have with repeal only is more that we don’t have the votes for repeal, and with all the political capital weighed on this, I think we may only have one shot.
That 18 million ObamaCare number is a *gross* number. I want to see the *net* number.
How many of the 18 million who enrolled in ObamaCare already had decent health insurance pre-ObamaCare but had their policies cancelled because they didn’t include, for example, mammograms for men and prostate exams for women?
Now that he’s found it, they may as well use it. I’m DAMN certain the Dems will if they ever have the Senate and WH.
Ted is setting up Pence.
Kind of a cool move, even for a snake.
Then there's the talk about DNA testing for "wellness", either in Ryan Care or another bill.....who the heck tried to sneak that by?
Summary: There's nothing wrong with Deplorables asking questions and wanting some changes. Don't ask us to blindly trust pols who have been bought and paid for by insurance companies and others who might benefit from stuff we wouldn't want in that bill.
In other words it would actually be insurance. What we have now is NOT insurance. It is medical care prepayment plans that support many thousands of bureaucrats' large salaries and supply the funds to purchase politicians for very high prices as well as providing the living for hordes of private and semi private clerks and CEOs and managers. If you want the government to take care of you i.e. you want to have your "appointment" in a clinic where you have to sit for perhaps days to get told that some actuary office in the government or in Blue Cross has denied you because your future productivity does not warrant a hip replacement or a bypass, well, if you want that, go to Europe or England but don't where they have perfected government medical "care" and it IS government even if they call it a "market." Obamacare has already brought most of us clinic medicine. Think about why the politicians exempted themselves from obamacare. If anything like it stands the quality of medicine will continue to decline as the smarter more productive doctors who don't just retire go offshore like the best of the British and Canadian doctors have already done. Med schools will have to lower their standards continually as the best and brightest no longer go into low net pay field. They will find more lucrative uses for their brains.
You would seem to be someone who doesn't like taking responsibility for himself but wants someone else to order it all for him no matter that he will be pretty much impoverished by it. Why don't you just go for Single Payer? It would be cheaper and less complicated though not a bit more medically effective.
Everybody throws numbers of uninsured people around without giving any thought. Fourteen million, according to the latest news, is the number who will be without insurance.
Is that the same 14 million that the Democrats were throwing around to push DeathCare? Or is it the 14 million illegals that was being thrown around for immigration reform? Maybe they’re the same people.
I know that it’s too much to ask of the morons in Versailles on the Potomac; but can’t they craft a bill so that no CITIZEN loses insurance? They should do this on a case by case basis, with an appeal process.
1. In 1974, Democrats co rolled both houses of Congress. They passed the provision. Republicans need to make no apologies for using a law that Democrats passed.
2. They talk about how many will “lose” insurance, but how many of then will not lose it but merely choose not to have it.
Excellent post. You must be one of the smart doctors from the 80s era who has watched insurance business men collaborate with politicians (lawyers) to bring about a coup on medicine. They looked up and lusted for the income they thought was going to Doctors and others in medicine and figured a way to take what they could from them into their own pockets. Doctors, traditionally did not pay attention to such things, not anticipating that their relationship with patients would be taken from them because people who are mafia-like were schemeing and plotting about how to set up a system which would run 1/6 of this economy, putting most of the profit into their own pockets. The Supreme Court Justice himself said it Obamacare was a tax plan. He should have called it a medical dictatorship. Academic medicine will die as top level programs look to fill top level jobs, such as that of Dean’s or Chair’s with PHDs who have lucrative NIH funds to bring to the school with them. Brilliant doctors who have written medical books and have built the best health care system in the world can take a hike to those with the big government grants. Single payer medicine through the NIH may already be set, especially in the best known medical colleges. If people could just know, comprehensively, what is going on for money and profit, there would be an uprising. Trump knows and he is trying to fix it. Paul Rand knows, too, because he is a smart doctor. Someone said to me the other day that the Baby Boomers had ruined this country as they took Woodstock, LSD, free sex and their other vast and sundry ways of overturning western civilization into “public service and the halls of Congress.” finding only ways to enrich themselves with power and money every step along the way. God, please stop the madness, now that we have a chance. First, reinstate the power of older doctors to teach the young who aspire to treat the most important thing in anyone’s life, that of healthcare.
Obamacare polished the turd with 110 grit. Ryancare used 220 grit. It’s still a turd.
I see you've been reading the Democrat talking points. However, for those of us in the real world, allowing citizens the FREEDOM to make their own health care choices is NOT "pulling insurance from" anyone. Those who cannot or will not pay for their own health insurance will still have Medicare etc. Repealing the monstrosity known as the ACA will also free up the majority of Americans from grotesquely inflated prices, all so that the minority of Americans can be given yet another freebie perk for not taking care of their own choices in life.
Only a Liberal would hide behind sympathy for the few in order to prevent a great relief for the many, as well as increased Freedom, and decreased government control.
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