Posted on 03/13/2017 7:25:27 PM PDT by Stopthethreat
The much-maligned Obamacare replacement bill will face its biggest test so far on Thursday, as a House of Representatives committee filled with conservatives could derail the legislation backed by Speaker Paul Ryan before it gets to the House floor.
If four Republicans join Democrats in voting against the bill in the House Budget Committee, the legislation will fail.
The uncertainty comes as the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released its estimate on the bill. It predicted Monday that 24 million people would lose health coverage by 2026 but that there would be a cut to the federal budget deficit of $337 billion over the first decade.
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At least seven Republican members of the Budget Committee have made public statements in the past week indicating they want a full repeal of Obamacare, but it’s unclear whether four of them will decide to go out on a limb and vote no.
One of them, Mark Sanford of South Carolina, joined Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul at a news conference last week to slam the legislation as a dereliction of the Republican Party’s campaign promises.
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Republicans wake the **** up! Let Obamacare crash and burn on its own and HANG IT ON THE ‘RATs AND THE MEDIA! DO IT!
They got it through in 2015, but now that there is a Republican president, they suddenly don’t want to.
There will be no phase 2 or phase 3.
Yepper, both President Trump and my rep, Luke Messer. I voted for both of them, didn’t vote for Ryno. Sent them strong messages.
Ryan picks an odd time to come out from under his Cone of Silence and `lead’ hmm?
OK, we buy a new house. On taking possession, we see something we didn’t see during inspections, and it wasn’t disclosed except for, “You have to buy the house to see what comes with it!”
There’s some sort of large, ferocious pitbull mix chained behind the storage barn. It’s growling deep in its throat, snapping at air and seems to be foaming at the mouth.
“I heard it, but thought it belonged to the former owners,” says Mother. “Why didn’t they take it?”
“Let’s adopt this dog. We can do it!” says Paul.
And I’m reminded of one of my mother’s favorite expressions when one of her children proposed something similar: “Let’s pretend like we did, but don’t.”
Thursday would be a nice day for it to die. We could hold a short burial and urination-on-the-remains ceremony in the afternoon.
It’s like you are all in a dream world.
Haven’t you figured out yet what Bernanke did?
He destroyed the meaning of money. QE is creating money from thin air AND TELLING EVERYONE ABOUT IT.
Obamacare, left intact, as y’all want, will not collapse. Its costs are on the budget. Janet Yellen can buy all the Treasury bonds required to fund it. Don’t you see that?
It’s not a Fed conspiracy. It’s just that money means nothing now. They can fund all US govt programs from thin air and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
So this plan of kill everything and let Obamacare continue, on presumption it will die on its own, you people have no idea how the world is funded.
“Then, standalone bills for interstate markets, tort reform, etc and the like will be offered as standalone bills and vulnerable D’s will be forced to get on record.”
I think the problem is that Ryan won’t do any of that. He an effing snake who is doing everything he can to undermine Trump. The GOP has to get this RIGHT. Otherwise they will end up sinking Trump, which, many think, including me, is what their end game really is.
“but can someone tell me what’s so horrible about the House bill?”
Handouts and freebies are reduced. $337 Billion cut in subsidies over 10 years. The socialists are not happy.
It doesn’t cut enough people off of insurance.
“$337 Billion cut in subsidies over 10 years.”
That’s just “table scraps” in the scheme of things. People are such idiots because that number isn’t framed with the overall healthcare budget.
“Obamacare, left intact, as y’all want, will not collapse”
Bingo.
With Obamacare the feds will just borrow more and spend more. Government takeover of healthcare is the end goal.
Ryancare cuts spending in $337 Billion over 10 years.
Opposing Ryancare makes no sense. A partial repeal is better than no repeal.
Drive a stake into the heart of this monster!
no, it cuts spending 1.2 trillion over ten years and cuts taxes 900 billion for a net budget savings of 337 billion.
It's a pay-off to Ryan's Chamber of Commerce cronies.
Left-wing blogs like the Huffinglue Post are in full meltdown mode over it
That's just spin; in reality they're salivating over this because then it'll be called Trumpcare and the Dems can run on it on 2018.
Get real. There's nothing purist about opposing a bill that's a near replica of the original.
Kill it.
Reject socialism!
Embrace Capitalism.
So the current 74 million without healthcare would drop to 24 million?
“it cuts spending 1.2 trillion over ten years and cuts taxes 900 billion for a net budget savings of 337 billion.”
Just terrible!! /sarc
Thanks for the reply.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of “wants” in this thread without a lot of “hows”. Fact is, even if you had a Senate of 52 Ted Cruz’s, Schumer wouldn’t let a clean repeal won’t get to PDT’s desk. He can easily hold most or all of his 48 rats together to stop it.
Seems to me the options are pretty binary, actually:
a) House passes a full repeal. Senate blocks it. Nothing else happens for 2 years, hope D’s get killed in ‘18 and GOP’s mandate is strengthened to pass the full repeal.
b) Some variation of this plan passes. Separate measures are either passed or held up. See if GOP can strengthen their position in ‘18 and improve the plan.
I just wish the people in Camp A would simply acknowledge the political reality instead of just saying “do it”. I don’t think it’s unreasonable of me to ask where those other 8 votes are going to come from, assuming you can hold 52 Republicans together.
The Senate will block a full repeal. Harry Reid let a repeal bill get to Obama’s desk because he knew he’d veto it. Schumer isn’t an idiot and knows President Trump would sign it, so he’ll block it.
I agree with your analysis. The Democrats went on an electoral suicide mission in 2009, taking tremendous losses, but they did in fact reach the red detonation button and slammed it with their fist. Trying to put everything back together is a nightmare - as you said, by design.
“There’s nothing purist about opposing a bill that’s a near replica of the original.”
Well, many senators (Portman, etc..) are complaining that Ryan cuts too much. This is the best deal that you are going to get.
Phase 2 is obviously going to happen. Trump is cutting regulations everywhere you look; to think he’ll stop at healthcare is silly. Phase 3 probably won’t happen because you couldn’t get anything to get 60 votes in the Senate. Although, my understanding is that you just need 60 votes to break the filibuster and you can pass anything with a simple majority. There has to be some tricks to break a filibuster. Rush was talking about Rule 19 to break it for the Supreme court nomination so I don’t see why they can’t do that here as well...
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