[Hostage]

I was once admiring of Cruz’ knack for standing up to the GOPe but then he was assimilated into it; proof is in Jeff Roe and Neil Bush.

Cruz can be smart and stupid at the same time. As other Freepers have wisely noted, he’s too smart by half.

This case is a prime example.

Sure, Cruz can advocate VP Pence pushing the Senate Parliamentarian aside to rule what can and cannot be voted on in reconcilation.

The problem is that it blows up the Senate rules. We might think. well fine, blow them up already. But in future years it means the dems can play the same game.

But the real reason to tell Cruz to go fly a kite is that demolishing Obamacare by reconciliation leaves the damn law in place, leaves its blueprints on the books signed into law.

It can be wrecked, busted, demolished, crunched, whatever but it’s still a damn law of the land, just not in effect.

That all sounds good. But in future years, when the Republicans fail because they are stupid, and they are in fact stupid and spineless, the democrat carping about republican failures in healthcare will play into a frustrated electorate and the democrats will slither their way back into control of Congress where they will resuscitate the ACA and they won’t need to get 60 votes etc.

We need Obamacare REPEALED, not busted up in RECONCILIATION.

See the difference? It’s important to understand that repeal NOT EQUAL to reconciliation.

A repeal is a law to take down a law.

Reconciliation can make a law ineffective, but leaves the law in place.

What is needed is for the President’s AG to play hardball because it’s the only thing the Left understands and can be defeated by.

Here’s a hardball strategy:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3534079/posts?page=61#61

[dp0622]

Thanks for the important info. I didn’t even know what reconciliation was until now.

But if the votes aren’t there to pass the crappy house version in the senate, what happens next?

And a FReeper asked me a good question. Why does he need this trick if he, Paul and Lee vote against the bill and it can’t move forward anyway?

Doesn’t that send it back to the house and forces ryan’s (i hate him) hand?

thanks ahead of time.

[DanZ]

The problem is that it blows up the Senate rules.

The level of stupid here is astounding.

The Senate can and has at various times made/changed the rules. It only take 51 Senators to vote on ANY rule change. AT ANY TIME

[austinaero]

With all due respect regarding this —> “But in future years it means the dems can play the same game.”

If Dems can play that game in the future, they will play it. Doesn’t matter what the GOP does now. We need to NOT worry about what Dems will do in the future.

[zeugma]

The problem is that it blows up the Senate rules. We might think. well fine, blow them up already. But in future years it means the dems can play the same game.

As we have already seen in the past, democrats don't give a damn about rules if they get in their way. To be worried about what democrats might do in the future is to just completely ignore history. It's the same old pussy-whipped standard GOP mantra of "gosh, I certainly wouldn't want someone to say mean things about me". I, for one, am tired of playing nice with this crap.