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.. Rand Paul on ..Ryan’s Obamacare Lite: .. ‘Trying to Pull the Wool Over the Eyes of the President’
Breitbart ^ | 03/08/2107 | Matthew Boyle

Posted on 03/08/2017 7:53:46 PM PST by ForYourChildren

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To: dp0622

blind squirrel. acorn. don’t be fooled.


21 posted on 03/08/2017 9:01:27 PM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: JohnBrowdie

He was the FIRST candidate to say bill clinton’s sex life was on the table in the presidential race.

I didn’t want him as president, but i like him.

We won’t change each other’s minds so you can have the last word and that will be it :)


22 posted on 03/08/2017 9:04:05 PM PST by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: dp0622

“Don’t you want to see his budget first?”

Well, I will be very pleasantly surprised if Trump proposes budgets geared toward ending any/all federal entitlements.

But if he does, it will be a complete reversal of his campaign promises.

Don’t get me wrong, I voted for him. He is worlds better than Hillary. He’s great on immigration, nationalism, etc.

But this issue has the potential to bring him from God-like status to good-on-some-stuff politician among some of his supporters.

Trump is expecting growth to solve our money problems. I’m not opposed to growth strategies: lower taxes + wider base, lower regulatory burden, etc.

But the stars are aligned like never before in the sense that we have stormed and conquered the House, Senate, WH, soon the SC - PLUS massive majorities of state govs and state houses.

This will go down in history as the biggest waste of such potential if we don’t manage to get some power devolved to the states.

Trump has nearly unprecedented potential to be a force for good in this regard - ‘good’ here meaning the uniquely American definition: Freedom!

But to do so, he’d have to break campaign promises to the contrary.


23 posted on 03/08/2017 9:05:52 PM PST by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: dp0622
He was the FIRST candidate to say bill clinton’s sex life was on the table

That's not true; his sex life was under the desk.

24 posted on 03/08/2017 9:10:37 PM PST by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: BuddhaBrown

I’d like to see the percentage growth would have to be to not only rid the deficit but cut the debt.

I envisage a very high number.

I am with you that slicing and dicing and more slicing needs to be done.

Trump tends to smartly speak on broad terms, so his “promises” may not be exactly what some moochers were hoping for.


25 posted on 03/08/2017 9:11:20 PM PST by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: sargon

That’s a great show of faith in one man.

It is tough for me to understand what it is based upon though. Trump loves the fed involvement in SS, medicare, medicaid, etc. And his daughter is not helping, she’s reportedly lobbying for more fed level entitlements regarding daycare, paid time off, etc.

It certainly seems like blinded faith at this point to expect that he will do so. But if it makes you feel better, I do hope and pray he breaks his promises to protect federal entitlements.


26 posted on 03/08/2017 9:16:54 PM PST by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: dp0622

Ryan works for Obama as one of his minions.


27 posted on 03/08/2017 9:22:37 PM PST by funfan
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To: funfan

that backstabbing fence owning leprechaun ####.


28 posted on 03/08/2017 9:25:23 PM PST by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: ForYourChildren

No federal control over healthcare. It is illegal.

Anyone who can read who reads the Constitution of these United States knows that. PERIOD.

You are precisely correct.

Thanks for making the point.

Unfortunately that point needs made over and over again. But we finally have a man in the bully pulpit to educate the public about that.

And it is the right thing too, which will work better: elitist centralized schemes to control multimillions off people all over a continent from one central city, “The Capital,” do not work, because no one there even when they gang up is smarter than the invisible hand of the free market, which is people voting day by day with their money.

But even if it were not the “optimal” thing, it is not moral to let one back east FAKE CITY control everyone — peace will never come from that — limited government as exemplified by our Constitution is proper and moral and incidentally “just works” anyway.


29 posted on 03/08/2017 9:43:38 PM PST by Weirdad (Orthodox Americanism: It's what's good for the world! (Not communofascism!))
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To: ForYourChildren

Ryan is nothing more than the Pelosi organ grinder monkey.


30 posted on 03/08/2017 9:54:58 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: BuddhaBrown

Trump didn’t say he was going to add new entitlements after repealing Obamacare.

I hope Paul and Cruz can get through to him and he can see Ryan for the scum that he is.


31 posted on 03/08/2017 11:05:16 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: BuddhaBrown

You don’t think our poor elderly and retired should have access to medicare? And I’ll be darned if I pay into SS for 40 years and the government decided to keep that money.


32 posted on 03/09/2017 12:26:46 AM PST by kelly4c
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33 posted on 03/09/2017 1:48:00 AM PST by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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To: kelly4c

“our poor elderly and retired should have access to medicare?”

The idea that good works can ONLY be done by the federal government is a dangerously liberal notion.

The exact opposite is closer to truth. Look what this socialist program has done to millions of otherwise decent conservative folks: it has them defending an awful, inefficient and unconstitutional program simply because it was successful in creating dependency in the ones they love.

The federal government is neither the morally correct place nor an anywhere near efficient place from which to dole out charity. ALL Republican plans which have proposed otherwise, including prior plans by Ryan himself, involve block granting to states for a time and then letting states decide whether to continue messing with people’s lives and pocketbooks going forward. Where it is at least constitutional, though still a bad idea.

“I’ll be darned if I pay into SS for 40 years and the government decided to keep that money.”

Surely you are not naive enough to believe your money has not already been spent. You were robbed already. They keep you shut up and dependent by promising to potentially pay you back a little at a time by robbing future generations too.

With Ryan as the example again, plans to reform SS always involve choice: stay in the awful plan if you like or, especially if you are young, then get the hell out and run your own life.

People who wish to never get rid of the current fed-operated SS program are guilty of imprisoning future generations with the awful and highly abused mess. And of encouraging the continuation of a sham which would be illegal in the real world regarding the how the govt manages your money.

If your only concern is what has happened with your SS money specifically, then at a bare minimum you should demand SS privatization. It would be what you seem to think SS is today: a pot with your name on it full of your money. You’d be able to lend yourself money, leave it to anyone you wish in a will, families could grow inter-generational wealth, etc. Or we keep the same ponzi scam and continue to let the thieves “keep that money” if you croak early, etc.


34 posted on 03/09/2017 2:03:13 AM PST by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: ForYourChildren

If it passes TRUMP is finished. They will never repeal this monster and i will never vote republican again.


35 posted on 03/09/2017 2:13:17 AM PST by stockpirate (FIRE ALL OBAMA & BUSH APPOINTEES NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: stockpirate

If this passes:

President Trump will be impeached
by conservatives ... and deserve it!!!!


36 posted on 03/09/2017 3:09:02 AM PST by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: dp0622
Yep - Rand is more conservative than Ryan. He gets a double win by coming out strong here as he still has aspirations of running for higher office as a Conservative/Republican.

Cruz and Lee are also back doing what they do best - I think Trump is letting Ryan run his "little experiment" to demonstrate how out of touch he and the GOPe are on this matter.

37 posted on 03/09/2017 3:38:43 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: ForYourChildren

The conservative caucus is going to hang tough on this one. There are not 218 votes for Ryno care in the House. Its likely DOA.


38 posted on 03/09/2017 8:10:07 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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