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1 posted on 03/03/2017 12:28:49 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Absolutely true. California will be solidly Dem for at least 2 generations. I can readily imagine what will happen here, the outcome is perfectly clear.


2 posted on 03/03/2017 12:30:54 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The True Legacy of Gov. Jerry Brown (Joel Kotkin)

http://www.joelkotkin.com/content/001331-true-legacy-gov-jerry-brown


5 posted on 03/03/2017 12:39:46 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

And they are begging a Republican President to bail them out.


6 posted on 03/03/2017 12:40:58 PM PST by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Unfortunately, we actually elected a Republican governor, but Arnold sucked as bad as any Dem.


7 posted on 03/03/2017 12:41:09 PM PST by gubamyster
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I know that everybody here hates the California state government, including me, but I know that the State of California will go BANKRUPT soon. The bonds will not be paid back, the public employee pensions will not be fully paid (hooray!). I worry about what this will do to our national economy.


9 posted on 03/03/2017 12:42:14 PM PST by forgotten man
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Even once solidly Republican Orange County is a Democrat stronghold now. They got the Sanchez sisters and Hillary won OC bigly


13 posted on 03/03/2017 12:48:10 PM PST by Angels27
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If it weren’t for the technology companies (namely Apple, Facebook, Google, Oracle Systems and Salesforce) and the entertainment industry, California would be in serious financial trouble right now.


19 posted on 03/03/2017 1:25:17 PM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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For later...


23 posted on 03/03/2017 1:45:13 PM PST by beaversmom
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California hasn’t crossed the Rubicon yet. When it does, we have a solution called the 1867-68 Reconstruction Act.

Reconstruction was, with all its flaws, effectively used to bring the South back into Union. I’m not about to debate the various warts and outright scandals surrounding Reconstruction because there were many.

Bailing out California financially is not on the table with the Reconstructions Act. It involves Californians themselves cleaning out the mess they made. The consequences Californians suffer will be of their own making, financially and psychologically.


25 posted on 03/03/2017 3:47:32 PM PST by sergeantdave (Cats are like potato chips - you can't have just one.)
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Democrats know how to improve American communities.

Whether Democrats actually know how to improve American communities or not is arguable but the record is irrefutable, Democrats will not improve American communities because they are prisoners of their own ideology. Their ideology defines "improvement" as the advancement of identity politics and forced "equality." It is a utopian vision which inevitably carries with it an authoritarian edge, a drive to homogenize the community according to their exclusive vision.

This utopian vision despises the individual, offering a secular salvation conditioned on submission by the individual to the "community." In such a world individual liberty is not a sacred birthright but an actual existential threat to the utopian vision. Individualism, that is the actual exercise of liberty, must be discouraged and even oppressed when necessary.

Enter human nature. The inherent human drive for individual advancement cannot be extinguished even by the most authoritarian leftist utopian vision. It can be distorted, however. Hence utopian communities are marked by a scramble for power and the perquisites which come with it. Sometimes it is identifiable as crony capitalism and sometimes it is identifiable as a nomenklature or ruling class as we saw in the Soviet Union. We can call them mandarins or "Lions" of the Senate but, whatever the name, the effect on governance is always a dead hand.

Ultimately the ideology of the Democratic Party means they simply cannot govern well. They are compelled to govern not to enhance the commonweal but to perpetuate the flawed utopian vision. That is why we see California bankrupted with fabulous pensions for lower-level functionaries, exploiting the school system to indoctrinate, flooding the state and its welfare rolls, schools and hospitals with illiterate immigrants who have the ideological virtue of being nonwhite, indulging mindless schemes for prodigal rail systems etc., etc.

Of course all of this is done in the name of improving the community but the real driving motivation is the utopian vision with all of its inherent flaws that force the distortions which caused the Soviet Union to disintegrate, brought tens of millions to starvation in China and North Korea, caused Venezuela to run out of (gasp!) beer and toilet paper, and is now bankrupting California.

The remedy for these excesses inevitably caused by the ideology is the application of more of the same ideology. So the remedy for failed socialism is invariably more socialism. The label will be changed, progressivism becomes liberalism becomes progressivism again, but the ideology stays in the saddle.


26 posted on 03/03/2017 5:43:28 PM PST by nathanbedford (attack, repeat, attack! Bull Halsey)
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100% correct. I’m outta here as soon as I retire. Tax rates are outrageous and public services are atrocious. Nevada is looking very attractive...


28 posted on 03/04/2017 12:13:19 AM PST by KingofZion
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This seems like a silly editorial used to talk about a bunch of problems without offering a solution to a single one while slipping is some denigration of the opposition.

They can be the change they want to see in government — and demonstrate to the country that Democrats know how to improve American communities.

This I would like to see. The entertainment factor followed by a parade of bankruptcies would be entertaining.

29 posted on 03/04/2017 5:42:11 AM PST by stevem
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My high school friend lives in Riverside and has refused to move. We have showed him land in Oregon waiting for his retirement to change his mind. He retired 4 years ago and is staying put. He has a SEIU janitorial pension don't you know.

Wonder if he will change his mind now since his house was just 2 doors down from the house that was destroyed by the plane that crashed last week in Riverside!!

31 posted on 03/04/2017 8:10:57 AM PST by thirst4truth (America, What difference does it make?)
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