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Analysis: Forget the Warren Slap-Down, Does 'Rule 19' Hold the Key to...?
Townhall.com ^ | February 8, 2017 | Guy Benson

Posted on 02/08/2017 3:16:38 PM PST by Kaslin

In case you missed the Senate's overnight drama, Matt's explanatory post does a nice job of filling in the blanks. Basically, after being warned over violating a Senate rule in her speech impugning the character of Jeff Sessions -- who is still a sitting member of the upper chamber -- Elizabeth Warren continued her angry harangue unabated. As she leaned on the words of Coretta Scott King in order to effectively call Sessions a racist who's sought to disenfranchise black voters, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell intervened. He invoked Rule 19, which prohibits any member from taking to the floor and “directly or indirectly, by any form of words impute to another Senator or to other Senators any conduct or motive unworthy or unbecoming a Senator.” Warren was clearly doing precisely that. In a party-line vote, she was admonished to sit out the remainder of the debate over Sessions' nomination. A few thoughts on this, before we move on to another element of Rule 19 that may have more lasting relevance in the coming months or years:

(1) After being notified that she was on thin ice, Warren charged ahead and broke the rules. The Senate enforced its rules. Her ugly demagoguery was thus muted for a period of time.

(2) I understand that the "world's most deliberative body" ostensibly values comity and professional courtesy (though it's hard to tell these days), yet this rule strikes me as quite stupid.  It's beyond dispute that Senators have routinely attacked the motives and character of others, with a certain recently-departed Senate leader making a sport out of slandering and badmouthing political opponents. That's all permissible under the rules, you see, but similar commentaries about a fellow Senator is forbidden. The rules are what they are, but I'm not sure this is a fair one -- or at least one that ought to be invoked to interrupt and shut down a floor debate except, perhaps, in truly extreme cases. I share Republicans' contempt for Warren's poisonous race-baiting (especially coming from a disgraceful racial impostor), but I'm not persuaded that quoting other people's recycled attacks on Sessions rises to the level of triggering this procedural reprimand.  Separately, I lean toward favoring free-wheeling debate over presidential appointments in general; the selection of a Senator should not insulate that person from intense, or even unfair, criticism.

(3) The optics aren't good. Telling a woman to effectively 'sit down and shut up' as she quotes Coretta Scott King isn't a great look, regardless of the context (and I concede that the context matters here, just as I acknowledge that a great many voters will never hear it). Also, it makes Warren into a martyr, breathing life into her obnoxious heroine complex. Maybe the wiser approach would have been to forcefully dispute her premise and tactics through objections and replies. The counterargument, I suppose, is that Democrats were in the midst of a two-day character assassination festival, and some form of pointed retribution was deserved.  Nevertheless, it drew far more attention to her speech than otherwise would have occurred.  It feels like a tactical misstep. 

In any case, that kerfuffle is over.  But our scrutiny of the relevant, abstruse senate rule invoked by McConnell last night may only now be beginning.  It is looking more and more as if SCOTUS nominee Neil Gorsuch will receive an up-or-down vote after his confirmation hearings.  But if Democratic opposition calcifies, or if a filibuster is mounted against a nominee to fill a potential second vacancy, Republicans may be forced to decide whether or not to follow through on the Reid Rule and Kaine Compact to "nuke" the filibuster.  It's unclear whether McConnell would be able to marshall the requisite 51 votes to do so, even as President Trump applies external pressure to get it done.  But Sean Davis, writing at The Federalist, points to an alternative plan that would (a) avoid further undermining the filibuster, (b) guarantee extended debate over a controversial nomination, and (c) eventually lead to a final vote.  His idea derives from a separate portion of Rule 19.  I'll let him explain the basics:

Rule XIX of the Standing Rules of the Senate plainly states that on any given question, a senator may speak only twice on the same legislative day. This clause is known in Senate parlance as the two-speech rule. No senator may speak more than two times on the same matter on the same legislative day...In simple terms, it means that once each senator has spoken twice on a matter, debate on that matter is concluded no matter what. It means that a final up-or-down vote is guaranteed. It does not preclude the Senate from invoking cloture before all senators have spoken twice, nor does it preclude the Senate from proceeding to a final vote in the absence of continued debate. Unlike the nuclear option, which kills debate instantly at the whim of the majority, enforcement of the two-speech rule effectively sets a limit on debate.

But if the "two speech rule" were invoked, wouldn't the "day" clock reset every 24 hours? No.   Davis writes that the clear precedent is that a legislative day marks the period between gaveling into and out of a discrete session. On occasion, a single Senate legislative "day" has stretched on for weeks, including the famous episode in which the "two speech rule" was applied to the battle over the Civil Rights Act. Opponents of that bill, including many Democrats, were restricted to two floor addresses of unlimited duration apiece during that "day," which lasted 81 calendar days. Eventually the clock (and their stamina) ran out, and after an extraordinarily lengthy debate, votes proceeded. Davis argues that this same model can be applied to Supreme Court nomination disputes. One objection is that the country can't afford to have the Senate stuck on one topic for weeks on end. But that's a misplaced concern:

The Senate majority has the power to bounce back and forth between legislative and executive session at will. As a result, the Senate could conduct its legislative business during the day and confine debate over the pending presidential nomination to the wee hours of the night. Thus, not only would the Senate be able to dual-track its legislative and executive business, Senate Republicans would also have the power to force Senate Democrats to make their speeches in the middle of the night when nobody is watching.

Other business could be attended to during the day, while grandstanders would have to perform for the cameras very late at night. But they'd still get their say. Davis addresses additional questions from skeptics of this idea throughout the piece, and does so pretty convincingly. I suppose that one of my issues is that this does seem like an awfully complex maneuver to undertake, given that Democrats made it quite obvious that they were ready to once again hit the red nuclear button over SCOTUS picks under a Hillary presidency. If the other side telegraphs that they're going to escalate as soon as they're back in power, why not pre-empt them -- citing their own precedent -- to further your agenda?  Why unilaterally surrender, especially when they've made their intentions plain?  On the other hand, this proposal would theoretically achieve the important and laudable ends of falling short of blowing the whole thing up, permitting extraordinary extended debate in accordance with Senate tradition, and likely striking Republican members who seem reluctant to finish what Harry Reid started as more palatable. Again, I suspect that Neil Gorsuch won't attract 41 Senators willing to sustain a filibuster. But Trump's next selection, if an opening should present itself, very well could. Last night's events demonstrate that Mitch McConnell has granular knowledge of the regulations that govern the body he leads. One would imagine, therefore, that he's already taken Davis' proposed scenario into consideration. If he views the idea as a viable option, it may be smart to start laying the groundwork among his caucus in advance of its hypothetical implementation.


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The rest of the title is Does 'Rule 19' Hold the Key to Overcoming a SCOTUS Filibuster?
1 posted on 02/08/2017 3:16:38 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
The optics aren't good.

What absolute horsecrap.

Women in the Senate are old hat, from Mikulski to Kassebaum to - yes - Clinton.

Why would anyone voluntarily perpetuate the double standard of don't-hit-the-girls?

Warren is an irritant. A harpy. A loudmouth. A demagogue. She is no better and in many ways worse than Harry Reid with his Droopy Dog mumbling. They are all cowards, relying on Senate parliamentary protections to slander any member of the body or any citizen.

She was made to look a fool and a bully who had her bluff called. Those are the only relevant optics and ones worth celebrating.

2 posted on 02/08/2017 3:22:37 PM PST by relictele (`)
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To: Kaslin

>>Forget the Warren Slap-Down,

Uhuh.

Forget...

“The defendants initially requested the judge acquit them and then later offered to plead guilty to the election crimes—facts Adams notes were omitted in Patrick’s written statement and severely undercut the claim that Sessions should not be trusted, given his record of bringing the unnecessary case
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/06/naacp-sessions-voter-fraud-prosecutions-intimidating-voters/

..the FACTS in that case.




3 posted on 02/08/2017 3:23:34 PM PST by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Kaslin

“... to effectively call Sessions a racist who’s sought to disenfranchise black voters, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell intervened.”

He invoked Rule 19, which prohibits any member from taking to the floor and “directly or indirectly, by any form of words impute to another Senator or to other Senators any conduct or motive unworthy or unbecoming a Senator.

Wow, so much fun! I watched the video and was struck (first time ever) that McConnell finally seemed to be worthy of his position.

TEAM TRUMP = MAGA...


4 posted on 02/08/2017 3:33:02 PM PST by heterosupremacist (Domine Iesu Christe, Filius Dei, miserere me peccatorem!)
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To: relictele

Benson is a never trumper.


5 posted on 02/08/2017 3:35:08 PM PST by dforest
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To: relictele

We have a winner!!!


6 posted on 02/08/2017 3:36:14 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician/Journalist. Some assembly required.)
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To: Kaslin
NEW HEADLINE:

Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) Disciplined For Disrepecting The Memory Of Martin Luther King Jr.

Warren was criticized for using a Coretta King letter in a clumsy fund raising scheme.

This is not the first time Warren has been called out for racist insensitivity and using race to advance her own personal fortunes.

The Senator is also known as Lyin' Lizzie, Fauxahontis and Lie-A-Watha for falsely claiming Native American heritage as a way to scam her former employer and others.


7 posted on 02/08/2017 3:37:03 PM PST by Iron Munro (If Illegals voted Rebublican 66 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall!")
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To: Iron Munro
The Senator is also known as Lyin' Lizzie, Fauxahontis and Lie-A-Watha for falsely claiming Native American heritage as a way to scam her former employer and others.

Don't forget "Crockajawea."

8 posted on 02/08/2017 3:38:21 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius available at Amazon.)
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To: Publius
Don't forget "Crockajawea."

Thank You.

Reader input is always welcome.

We'll try to get that in the Late Edition.


9 posted on 02/08/2017 3:46:47 PM PST by Iron Munro (If Illegals voted Rebublican 66 Million Democrats Would Be Screaming "Build The Wall!")
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To: Iron Munro

Excellent headline


10 posted on 02/08/2017 4:04:42 PM PST by Kaslin ( Start by doing what's necessary; then do what's possible; and suddenly you are doing the impossible)
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To: Kaslin
The optics aren't good.

They must have been. I laughed my ass off!

11 posted on 02/08/2017 4:14:13 PM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Kaslin

Jeff Session broke the back of the KKK in Alabama. Bad people went to jail because of this. How many KKK members has Elizabeth Warren put in jail!

See link below for what Jeff Sessions did. He is a damn good man.

http://yellowhammernews.com/politics-2/sessions-broke-back-kkk-alabama-now-media-wants-think-hes-racist/


12 posted on 02/08/2017 4:14:47 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: Kaslin
I share Republicans' contempt for Warren's poisonous race-baiting (especially coming from a disgraceful racial impostor), but I'm not persuaded that quoting other people's recycled attacks on Sessions rises to the level of triggering this procedural reprimand. Separately, I lean toward favoring free-wheeling debate over presidential appointments in general; the selection of a Senator should not insulate that person from intense, or even unfair, criticism.

She knew what she was doing. She had the option of alluding to or describing what was in the letter. It could have been damning to Sessions but still within the rules, and she didn't take that option. She understood what the consequences would be and can't pretend that it was a surprise to her.

The optics aren't good. Telling a woman to effectively 'sit down and shut up' as she quotes Coretta Scott King isn't a great look, regardless of the context (and I concede that the context matters here, just as I acknowledge that a great many voters will never hear it). Also, it makes Warren into a martyr, breathing life into her obnoxious heroine complex.

Maybe McConnell wanted to feed her martyr complex. Maybe it's part of a strategy to make the Democrats even crazier than they've been. It could have been part of a strategy to boost her as a possible presidential candidate -- a candidate who would be easy to beat in 2020.

13 posted on 02/08/2017 4:29:24 PM PST by x
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To: relictele

Am I the only getting tired of treating women with chivalry? I’m 46 and my whole life I’ve heard women can do ANYTHING a man can do, and maybe better. They compete with men for jobs and so many of them point out that they are strong and independent.

So the fake Indian can go take a long walk off a short pier if she tries to play the poor little woman card. In fact she can just go F herself for being a worthless libtard!


14 posted on 02/08/2017 4:46:29 PM PST by BJ1
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To: BJ1

Tiresome double standard that is invoked by RINO squishes more often than even Dems.

If she is going to be the face of the loony left I don’t care if she’s male, female or other.


15 posted on 02/08/2017 4:54:28 PM PST by relictele (`)
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To: Kaslin

This Guy Benson is in need of a pussyhat. What a total wuss to cave like an establishment repub once the Senate finally does something right.
I can barely find an article these days that doesn’t piss me off in one way or another.


16 posted on 02/08/2017 5:33:43 PM PST by JerseyDvl (PRESIDENT TRUMP trumps hate and racism! Put some ice on it Hitlery ;-)
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To: Publius

You forgot “sitting Bulls***”!


17 posted on 02/08/2017 5:54:32 PM PST by acapesket (all happy now?)
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To: Iron Munro

Excellent sessions fauxahontis headline


18 posted on 02/08/2017 6:55:36 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini (End the political class.......TERM LIMITS NOW!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: cpdiii

excellent sessions so called racism link


19 posted on 02/08/2017 6:56:46 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini (End the political class.......TERM LIMITS NOW!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: x; stephenjohnbanker; GOPJ
Maybe McConnell wanted to feed her martyr complex. Maybe it's part of a strategy to make the Democrats even crazier than they've been. It could have been part of a strategy to boost her as a possible presidential candidate -- a candidate who would be easy to beat in 2020.

That might be it. It's hard to imagine a worse leader than "centrist" Hillary though. Many Dems believe that a younger version of Bernie would have beaten Trump.

20 posted on 02/08/2017 7:02:02 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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