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F-35 Scores Impressive 15:1 Kill Ratio at Red Flag War Games
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a25078/f-35-red-flag-war-games/ ^ | 2/7/2017 | Jay Bennett

Posted on 02/07/2017 4:23:27 PM PST by bkopto

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To: Moonman62
One of my favorite movies is The Final Countdown, made in 1980 I think. It is about a 1980 aircraft carrier, getting caught in a time vortex and thrown back to Dec 6, 1941.

Since they know what is going to happen, they decide to go attack the Japanese fleet. Which a 1980 US aircraft carrier could pretty much destroy the 1941 Japanese fleet.

But we are now at a time in 2017, that the time difference between 1980 is about the same as 1980 vs 1941. How would a 2017 aircraft carrier do against the 1980 US Naval fleet? I'm guessing it would be a lot closer than 1980/1941.

Of course, it would depend on where the battle was fought. Putting a 2017 carrier in 1980, the 2017 carrier would lose the advantage of a lot of the satellite comms and such that we have now. However, if we could fly some stealthy planes off the flattop, that would be a huge advantage to Team 2017.

But it just seems to me that a 2017/1980 battle would be a lot closer than a 1980/1941 battle.

21 posted on 02/07/2017 5:45:19 PM PST by Pappy Smear
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To: bkopto

Do they have a scenario where the missile misses its target and the enemy attacks the F-35?

Like for the missiles needing a back up gun weapon, stealth requires a back up maneuverability and power. This is why they discounted the F23 in the first place.

But! The F23 was not compromising on stealth like the f35, as it was stealthier than the F22, a concept too ahead of its time.


22 posted on 02/07/2017 6:08:16 PM PST by lavaroise (s)
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To: pfflier

I wonder what percentage of today’s pilots were heavily weaned on video gaming in their formative years? Seems that would be a huge plus with today’s cockpits.


23 posted on 02/07/2017 6:38:56 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing (im)
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To: Sasparilla

I’m 10 miles from the White Settlement Lockheed plant. We can tell that they’ve stepped up production cause they rattle our windows when they test their engines about every half hour all day. It’s not as loud as when the SAC base across the runway would have an alert.


24 posted on 02/07/2017 6:48:10 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: pfflier

That can be done theoretically but for now, the most powerful computer in a fighting jet is still the pilot.

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That depends on the task, and the pilot comes at the cost of maneuverability and weight.


25 posted on 02/07/2017 7:11:46 PM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Moonman62; All

I move the F-35 be called the “cowbell”.

That way we can always say “WE NEED MORE COWBELLS!”


26 posted on 02/07/2017 7:13:09 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

It would seem so. Flight simulators are basically extreme video games and most pilot training now involves extensive use of simulators.


27 posted on 02/07/2017 8:01:21 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Moonman62
That depends on the task,

Until true artificial intelligence is perfected the tasks will be limited to those envisioned by the programmers.

Sensors and actions based on sensor input are single dimensional in the sense that certain metrics must be met driving a predictable pre-programmed response. Unless the system learns to react to unexpected variations it's performance will be predictable and it can be defeated.

A human onboard an airplane can analyze risks and variations and react unpredictably. That is why anti-aircraft missiles, essentially rocket powered drones, have been and can be defeated. They are maneuvered to go outside their operational envelope or spoofed by countermeasures they can't cope with.

28 posted on 02/07/2017 8:14:45 PM PST by pfflier
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To: pfflier

Trust me in the fact I trust no polidiot or presstitute on any matter. As career military, retired, followed by 23 years as a goobermint contractor I’ve seen the deception “attempts” to make a turd smell like a rose ..... stopped such at my pay grade every time. Sometimes at a cost to me personally. Thus your suggestion that “” I think independently and do my own research”” .... I live day to day doing just that.

As I stated ....””I pray its true that the F35 is just that good but truth ‘n trust in government contractor liars is a one on a scale of one to ten”

Thanks anyway for your suggestion...


29 posted on 02/07/2017 8:22:24 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: pfflier

I still think the AF wants to use the F-35 as an AWACS type plane surrounded by unmanned fighters. The F-35 “pilot” will be a computer operator and air traffic controller for the unmanned fighters.


30 posted on 02/07/2017 11:12:34 PM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: bkopto

Note that the United Kingdom, Italy, the Netherlands, Canada, Turkey, Australia, Norway and Denmark are partners in this, and the plan is that the F-35 will be produced under license in Turkey by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI). ..Turkey, like other partner nations, has complained about the United States refusal to share the software source code for the F-35.[182][183] On 24 March 2011 Turkey announced it is placing its order for 100 jets on hold due to the ongoing source code refusal issue. Defense Minister Vecdi Gönül said that the negotiations for access to the F-35 source codes, including codes that can be used to control the aircraft remotely, had not yielded “satisfactory results” and that under these conditions Turkey could not accept the aircraft...Turkey is to take delivery of 10 aircraft per year after they enter service in 2018, with 100 F-35s total on order. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_procurement#Turkey


31 posted on 02/08/2017 4:33:45 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Squantos
Knowing your background, I now understand that you know the angles and have your BS filters in the right places on both sides of the equation. Our backgrounds are very similar except I got out after 9 years in the USAF. I worked then for Martin-Marietta then General Dynamics on major successful programs.

Unfortunately, real world experience in the areas of comments is a rare commodity for some posters on these threads who only parrot what is fed to them or what the like to hear.

32 posted on 02/08/2017 7:37:47 AM PST by pfflier
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To: Moonman62

I agree with your assessment there. The article pretty much says that to other planes wanted the F-35 to hang around for it’s information centric capabilities. That is a capability that begs to be explored and expanded at all levels.


33 posted on 02/08/2017 7:42:06 AM PST by pfflier
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To: pfflier

Check out this article:

http://fortune.com/2016/03/30/autonomous-fighter-jets-join-the-f-35/

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It would be great if the AF could convert 4th generation fighters to unmanned aircraft to fly with the F-35. That would help to offset the fortune spent on the F-35. Plus, we would dominate the skies.


34 posted on 02/08/2017 8:47:51 AM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: pfflier; Jim Robinson

Why I like the pro and con of FR and its old school wariness and experiences of past and present issues that if ignored will repeat themselves and do us harm....

Stay Safe ....


35 posted on 02/08/2017 10:09:13 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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