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Air pollution in London passes levels in Beijing...and wood burners are making problem worse
The Telegraph ^ | January 24, 2017

Posted on 01/24/2017 4:56:24 PM PST by SMGFan

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To: SMGFan

I was just thinking of that, it was recently portrayed in the excellent BBC series about the young QEIII, The Crown. That was a disaster.


41 posted on 01/24/2017 6:32:28 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("A is A. A thing is what it is." Ayn Rand)
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To: dainbramaged

“. . . a wood burning stove is carbon neutral (whatever that means) . . .”

For those worried about carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (I’m not in that crowd) it means the following:

wood + oxygen -—————> CO2 and water; then

CO2 + water (powered by sunlight) —————> trees (wood) + oxygen

So it’s essentially an endless cycle (with a bit of lag time while you wait for the
trees to grow) by which you convert the energy in sunlight to the heat energy
of burning wood.

Which is fine as long as you don’t denude your forests and as long as you realize that wood contains stuff that doesn’t burn cleanly and can give rise to smoke, smog, poisonous carbon monoxide and other fun stuff that enviro types would piss and moan about if somebody was generating those things industrially.


42 posted on 01/24/2017 6:33:27 PM PST by Stosh
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To: FrdmLvr

That would be QEII. Lol


43 posted on 01/24/2017 6:33:53 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("A is A. A thing is what it is." Ayn Rand)
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To: SMGFan

I was just thinking of that, it was recently portrayed in the excellent BBC series about the young QEIII, The Crown. That was a disaster.


44 posted on 01/24/2017 6:34:11 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("A is A. A thing is what it is." Ayn Rand)
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To: M-cubed
EXACTLY!!!!...Real firewood is a luxury.....burning trash is a different story.....all smoke little fire..but it does emit some heat...and saves on the trash bill!!

I was in London for several days before Christmas. It was cold enough for fireplaces to be in use, yet I never noticed any chimney smoke. Had a really good view of the city, too, but smoke at dawn and dusk was just not noticeable. in fact, the only fireplace that I saw in use was out at Hampton Court, in Henry VIII's kitchen. HUGE rotisserie!

With the way that the city collects garbage several times a day, I don't doubt that some people try to reduce the volume by burning it. You never smell the smoke, though. Not even diesel exhaust is really noticeable, despite the many London taxis clattering around.

I wasn't there long enough to experience a wide variety of London weather, so there may be some conditions that aggravate the "smog". Didn't look like a big issue to me, it's probably just an enviro-nazi buildup to banning diesel cars from the city.

45 posted on 01/24/2017 6:42:06 PM PST by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Ozark Tom

You’re asking me? I don’t know.


46 posted on 01/24/2017 6:42:33 PM PST by 353FMG (AMERICA IS ALL THAT TRULY MATTERS)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

That’s why we must persuade the Brits to use American LNG for home heating and cooking.


47 posted on 01/24/2017 6:46:45 PM PST by 353FMG (AMERICA IS ALL THAT TRULY MATTERS)
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To: citizen

The plug a lot of goats.........


48 posted on 01/24/2017 6:54:04 PM PST by Osage Orange (We can all live together as brothers or perish together as fools)
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To: caver

http://thelondonlogcompany.blogspot.com/p/free-delivery.html?m=1


49 posted on 01/24/2017 6:55:04 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: posterchild

I believe it was in this which I used to have years ago. I’ve had several other books back then.

Account of the new invented Pennsylvanian fire-places:

http://digitalcollections.powerlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/SLP2005001/id/1058


50 posted on 01/24/2017 7:04:05 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: posterchild

https://www.mychimney.com/blog/ben-franklin-father-fireplace-insert/


51 posted on 01/24/2017 7:13:05 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: 353FMG
we must persuade the Brits to use American LNG for home heating and cooking.

American LNG, American wood pellets, American charcoal, American heating oil, American clean coal etc

52 posted on 01/24/2017 7:23:03 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: SMGFan
On the actual number of deaths in that smog of 1952.

I read 4000 died elsewhere, but still.

Probably the only Freeper that was there at the time. I came down from Scotland by long distance coach to Finchley, North London. A non-smoker and only 21 years old, I remember breathing in and it cut like a knife.

The bureaucrats of the "Yes Minister" type claimed it was only old people who died. They said they were ready to die anyway. There was an immense cover up. The coal mine owners had a huge investment in coal for the fire place. A most wasteful use of fuel, since it went up the chimney first.

I knew of a smokeless fuel called "Coalite". It was burnt in enamel stoves in the kitchen. Someone got the Nobel Prize posthumously for bringing it into use. Pity they did not use more of it.

53 posted on 01/24/2017 8:02:41 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: SMGFan

“The recent spell of unhealthy pollution was the worst since April 2011.”

I agree that this is suspicious. I was in London two months ago and discovered London to be clean, friendly and safe. The air was crisp and watching the hundred’s of bicycle riders in the cold 40º rain gave my self esteem a demotion.


54 posted on 01/24/2017 11:07:53 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: SMGFan

Mayor Sadiq Khan? Really, of London? SMH.


55 posted on 01/25/2017 3:05:56 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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To: smokingfrog

Interesting that they have man made logs.


56 posted on 01/25/2017 4:24:42 AM PST by caver (Trump: Home of the Winner)
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To: GreyFriar; SMGFan; Falconspeed
probably an atmospheric inversion or some other type of ordinary stilling of the winds around London

Correct. There has been an unusually prolonged blocking high (displaced Azores High) over southern Britain for most of the past month, with very light winds and subsiding air. (In the South West, where I live, we're about to break the January sunshine record).

The notorious London smogs of the 19th and earl 20th centuries, referred to in the article, were caused by the burning of untreated coal in open fires, which were then the main source of domestic heating. That changed with the introduction of the Clean Air Acts of the 1950s/60s, which made treated ('smokeless') coal obligatory in the cities. Nowadays hardly anyone has open fireplaces, except for effect.

57 posted on 01/25/2017 4:27:37 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: x1stcav

Switch to coal.


58 posted on 01/28/2017 6:37:03 PM PST by ully2
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