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Solar Inconvenient Truth: Ivanpah Plant a Big Fossil Fuel User
breitbart.com ^ | 1/23/2017 | Chriss W. Street

Posted on 01/24/2017 8:22:01 AM PST by rktman

The BrightSource Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating Facility, which uses 320,000 mirrors to create thermal energy, still qualifies under state rules as an alternative energy source, despite using about 1.4 billion cubic feet of natural gas a year, according to a report by the Press Telegram.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: ecowankers; fossilfuels; green; solar
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One word: "DOH!"
1 posted on 01/24/2017 8:22:01 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

Do these solar/wind farms receive any fed subsidies? Gotta believe Obama propped them up. Hope Trump won’t.

But CA orders their utility companies to distribute set percentages of alt energy, regardless of costs.


2 posted on 01/24/2017 8:25:22 AM PST by umgud
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To: umgud

Pretty sure they get tax breaks, subsidies and waivers to the endangered species act so they can kill as many birds as “needed” to save the erf.


3 posted on 01/24/2017 8:39:34 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: umgud

From the article:

“The project also received $1.6 billion in taxpayer loan guarantees, and $600 million in federal tax credits . . .”


4 posted on 01/24/2017 8:54:11 AM PST by Stosh
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To: rktman; All
From the article:
"The project also received $1.6 billion in taxpayer loan guarantees, and $600 million in federal tax credits [emphasis added], to reduce carbon emissions by 400,000 tons of carbon-dioxide emissions per year."

While federal taxpayer investment in energy is arguably a good idea, it remains that the states have never expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds the specific power to tax and spend for such a purpose imo.

So patriots need to support Pres. Trump to either put a stop to unconstitutional federal taxation for energy purposes, or work with the states and Congress to successfully propose an energy amendment to the Constitution imo.

Drain the swamp! Drain the swamp!

Remember in November ’18 !

Since Trump entered the ’16 presidential race too late for patriots to make sure that there were state sovereignty-respecting candidates on the primary ballots, patriots need make sure that such candidates are on the ’18 primary ballots so that they can be elected to support Trump in draining the unconstitutionally big federal government swamp.

Such a Congress will also be able to finish draining the swamp with respect to getting the remaining state sovereignty-ignoring, activist justices off of the bench.

Noting that the primaries start in Iowa and New Hampshire in February ‘18, patriots need to challenge candidates for federal office in the following way.

Patriots need to qualify candidates by asking them why the Founding States made the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I; to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.

Patriots also need to find candidates that are knowledgeable of the Supreme Court's clarifications of the federal government’s limited powers listed above.

5 posted on 01/24/2017 9:01:55 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: Stosh

Must....read....all....the....words..............


6 posted on 01/24/2017 9:04:22 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Amendment10

The ‘planned NOT parenthood’ assclowns are already starting in NV to try to get Dean Heller voted out. He ain’t my favorite but he’s a whole bunch better than any can’t-i-date tbey’ll put forward. Bad enough that cat mantos gets to play puppet for the thankfully retired hairy screed. NV has already embarrassed itself enough.


7 posted on 01/24/2017 9:07:50 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: rktman

BREAKING NEWS: This just in, scientists discover that the sun doesn’t shine at night, more to follow.


8 posted on 01/24/2017 9:33:15 AM PST by nuke_road_warrior (Making the world safe for nuclear power for over 20 years)
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To: rktman

Not just birds. From the article:

“Not only does the project consume 5.6 square miles of undisturbed public land that is home to the endangered desert tortoise”

This turtle has been used to keep large parts of the military’s National Training Area in California off limits for decades. More recently, it was used as justification for cutting herd sizes for a rancher, by the name of Bundy. That’s right - protection of this turtle is what started the Bundy standoff in Nevada.

But its ok to eradicate 6 square miles of habitat, smack in the middle of the turtle’s range...for the children, I guess.


9 posted on 01/24/2017 9:33:59 AM PST by lacrew
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To: lacrew

I thought “they” claimed that all the local residents had been relocated to a “safe zone” away from the furnace. Never a good hail storm when you need one.


10 posted on 01/24/2017 9:35:54 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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And electric cars use fossil fuel - where else is their charge coming from?


11 posted on 01/24/2017 9:59:26 AM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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Silly. Unicorn farts of course. I keep seeing the tesla auto ads touting their “green-ness”. Well except for lubricants, tires, transport costs, charging from fossil fuel power plants. Yeah, green. Green as in CHA CHING. I’ve also seen the prices on them. BOOM! Also at the local casinos, charging stations. Do the owners have to pay for the charge of are the casinos doing it show how “green” they are. Don’t see any gas pumps for us low life polluters.


12 posted on 01/24/2017 10:03:09 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: rktman

Busted come to mind too.


13 posted on 01/24/2017 10:59:00 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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To: YogicCowboy
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>> “And electric cars use fossil fuel - where else is their charge coming from?” <<

Every electric car is a 100% coal burner.

All other sources of electric generation were completely spoken for long before the rolling electric coffins hit the road.
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14 posted on 01/24/2017 11:06:25 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Stosh

Wow, that’s significant.


15 posted on 01/24/2017 11:18:45 AM PST by umgud
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To: rktman

I support any means of generating power so long as it is competetive in a free market without a subsidy. If it is a windmill and chops up birds the facility should be fined at the same rate as you and I would be for killing the same birds. Many are condors and eagles. The same logic applies to solar mirror farms that incinerate the same said birds.

Let the market place decide!

ps
CO2 is plant food! Today the world is harvesting record levels of grain crops due to the moderately increased levels of CO2. Did I mention CO2 is plant food? !!!


16 posted on 01/24/2017 3:00:11 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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Plant food? Brawndo?

It’s what plants crave....


17 posted on 01/24/2017 3:05:53 PM PST by Professional
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To: nuke_road_warrior
“BREAKING NEWS: This just in, scientists discover that the sun doesn’t shine at night, more to follow.”

Silly you. One must only build them where the sun shines all the time. Problem solved. /S

PS
Al Gore just left a meeting, I think up in Sun dance, and the snow was deep. He climbed into a huge SUV and drove to the airport to board a private jet. He normally flies in a G4 or better. His carbon footprint yesterday was greater than mine for several years. Al Gore has become immensely wealthy via the global warming scam. He is a left wing liberal scum bag lying scum bag. I must admit he is one hell of a business man. He is rich rich rich. He flies by private jet to his many mansions about the country. He is a scam artist of the highest order. He is good at it.

Do you see any hypocrisy?

18 posted on 01/24/2017 3:12:48 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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His eco-wanker sycophants don’t see it that way. After all, he’s trying to save the erf so he gets a pass. Must be nice. Hopefully a lot of the scam artists are now on notice. I don’t know how or who will get DJT’s ear but hopefully calmer minds will prevail on this absurd notion. Impact? Minimal. Cost of “fixing” our minimal impact? YUGE!


19 posted on 01/25/2017 6:33:57 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Amendment10

But, but.... Interstate Commerce!


20 posted on 01/25/2017 7:27:41 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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