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Students, who entered the U.S. illegally, travel to Mexico before Trump becomes president
Orange County Register ^ | Dec. 23, 2016 | ROXANA KOPETMAN and ALEJANDRA MOLINA

Posted on 01/11/2017 8:47:14 AM PST by TheDon

"During his campaign, Trump pledged to deport all 11-plus million immigrants living in the country illegally and abolish DACA."

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; maga
We must hold Trump's feet to the fire on this promise.
1 posted on 01/11/2017 8:47:14 AM PST by TheDon
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To: TheDon

Best answer ever: Self-Deporting. Trump can removed the others after the 20th.


2 posted on 01/11/2017 8:48:23 AM PST by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp: Replace Ryan & McConnell; Primary Lyn' Ted and others.)
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To: TheDon

Good, get ahead of the rush.

We need to make it known to illegal aliens that if we have to deport them the law is they will be barred from applying for proper entry for 8 years.

If they leave they can get in line to apply like they should have in the first place.


3 posted on 01/11/2017 8:52:59 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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To: Reno89519

They are traveling to Mexico and returning to the U.S. before Trump becomes president.


4 posted on 01/11/2017 8:53:25 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: TheDon

Self deportation will happen with 50% or more of the illegals. Once they see people arrested and getting jail time, that’ll go up to 90%.


5 posted on 01/11/2017 8:54:34 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TheDon
“I want to go back and meet my family and where I came from,”

Arrange for a room while you're there, sweetheart - you'll be back there soon, and you'll need a place to stay while you wait out the admission process of legal immigration or visa.
Just don't overstay that visa or you'll be back AGAIN.

6 posted on 01/11/2017 8:56:00 AM PST by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: TheDon

We must hold Trump’s feet to the fire on this promise.
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Absolutely.
We must not be satisfied with deporting only those convicted of crimes here.
ALL illegal aliens MUST commit myriad crimes to further their illegal presence, from document fraud and stealing benefits to illegal employment.
We should not wait until they drive drunk and kill Americans before we deport them.
Just because they have not been caught and convicted of anything yet is no reason not to deport them.
They are illegal aliens, deport them all.


7 posted on 01/11/2017 8:57:34 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
We need to make it known to illegal aliens that if we have to deport them the law is they will be barred from applying for proper entry for 8 years.

If we come get you, you leave with only the shirt on your back. Go voluntarily and your assets can come too.

8 posted on 01/11/2017 8:58:20 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Make lemonade.)
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To: TigerClaws
Self deportation will happen with 50% or more of the illegals.

I'm hoping that the chef, cook, help wanted signs I'm seeing in city neighborhood restaurants are really indicative of what I think.

9 posted on 01/11/2017 8:58:54 AM PST by Stentor
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To: TigerClaws
These can happen in order, or simultaneously....

Step 1. Build the wall. Physical or Electronic, doesn't matter. So long as it keeps out the people it's supposed to keep out.

Step 2. Cut off Welfare Benefits and stop the practice of Sanctuary Cities. Enforce employment laws already on the books.

Step 3. Loudly and Publicly, send home the first few people that are caught in Steps 1+2.

Most of the rest will self-deport. What's left will be a problem of a magnitude we can deal with.

I'm curious to see what a country without 20-odd million illegals in it will look like. What I really wondering about is how all the hidden costs will shake out. The drain, for instance, on Welfare, Hospitals, Schools, Law Enforcement, and so on, is enormous. Lots of local governments and public organizations will get an unexpected surplus of cash, I'd think.

On a personal level, I'd imagine that wages will necessarily go up. Heck, just a cutback in the billions we spend on insurance for uninsured motorists, will be substantial, I'd think.

10 posted on 01/11/2017 9:09:42 AM PST by wbill
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To: Lurkinanloomin
ALL illegal aliens MUST commit myriad crimes to further their illegal presence, from document fraud and stealing benefits to illegal employment

Which is why Amnesty is an abomination.

Most of them will have to be absolved of a litany of crimes, not just illegal entry. Tax evasion being a big one.

Why would we do that for foreign nationals when we don't do it for our own people?

11 posted on 01/11/2017 9:19:50 AM PST by Regulator
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To: Reno89519
"The students, who arrived here illegally, left John Wayne Airport for Mexico on Thursday and will return before he becomes president."

....have temporary legal status thanks to a 2012 program created by President Obama, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, more commonly known as DACA. Under a little-known provision of the law, these “DACAmented” individuals – as they call themselves – can get the U.S. government’s permission to travel abroad and return. A huge added bonus: The legal re-entry into the U.S. can boost the chance to win permanent legal status.

THIS NEEDS TO BE REPEALED ASAP.

12 posted on 01/11/2017 9:19:54 AM PST by fivecatsandadog (GO TRUMP! Drain the swamp!)
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To: wbill

The elites will either learn to mow their own lawns and change nappies or start paying non slave labor rates.


13 posted on 01/11/2017 9:20:43 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: TigerClaws

“Self deportation will happen with 50% or more of the illegals. Once they see people arrested and getting jail time, that’ll go up to 90%.”

Taking them off all forms of welfare will make a huge percentage self-deport right away. Enforcing the laws where they are working will send another huge percentage home. The IRS can also get involved by sending agents to investigate all the false SS numbers employers are paying SS payments to.


14 posted on 01/11/2017 9:20:50 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: wbill

There’s a huge drain on the infrastructure. Think of all the cars on the roads, schools that have to be built and houses that have to be built. Sure, it’ll be tough on the service, construction and general labor jobs for a while but that will be offset by the benefits.


15 posted on 01/11/2017 9:21:11 AM PST by bgill (From the CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: TheDon

I can’t think of a downside except they will default on their taxpayer provided student loans.


16 posted on 01/11/2017 9:23:29 AM PST by pfflier
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To: TheDon

I crack up every time I see the #fakenews “media” spew that “11 million” illegal aliens number from the 1970s. The “media” is clueless.


17 posted on 01/11/2017 9:24:07 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (As long as tyranny exists, the Constitution and Bill of Right will never be "outdated" or "obsolete")
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To: wbill
On a personal level, I'd imagine that wages will necessarily go up.

As will prices for a while, to cover the increased wages and reduction in consumption. But the savings of public money will make it worthwhile. Even better would be a shift to the FairTax or something similar.

18 posted on 01/11/2017 9:25:02 AM PST by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: grobdriver

Also:

“What began as an experiment with two Cal State Long Beach students has grown to trips with as many as 35. In all, he’s taken 107 young to visit their homeland.”

Shows where their loyalties are, even the ones that were brought very young, as one young women who is illegally taken the place of a legitimate US student.

What takes the cake for me, is that they think coming here was not good for their parents and their families. Talk about ingrates.

““Even though I was raised in Los Angeles, I feel like there’s a lot that’s been missing,” said Salinas, who arrived at the airport with two suitcases and carry-ons. “I want to see where I lived and compare the difference it has made in my life and (consider) the sacrifices my parents made.”


19 posted on 01/11/2017 9:25:56 AM PST by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: fivecatsandadog

They are merely taking advantage of our own laws, for their own benefit. That’s smart, not evil. We need to find a way to vet them; some are keepers and would make fine fellow citizens. Others should be returned posthaste to their points of origin, never to return.


20 posted on 01/11/2017 9:28:19 AM PST by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: JimRed
...some are keepers...

Don't you already have a deer head over your fireplace?

21 posted on 01/11/2017 9:30:05 AM PST by Stentor
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To: Reno89519

>>Best answer ever: Self-Deporting. Trump can removed the others after the 20th.<<

They are all planning on coming back.

The effrontery is mind-blowing. They enter illegally, LEAVE, the RE-ENTER (by definition illegally) with no repercussions.


22 posted on 01/11/2017 9:31:38 AM PST by freedumb2003 (obozo: not just the worst president in American history - worst *American* in American history (turf)
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To: TigerClaws

I think jail time is key to getting a handle on are border. I would not do the catch and release at the border hold any one sneaking over for three month in detention before sending them back. charge any one with trafficking a minor if they are caught sneaking children over the border and are not the parent. if they are the parent child endangerment.


23 posted on 01/11/2017 9:53:50 AM PST by PCPOET7
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To: wbill
"I'm curious to see what a country without 20-odd million illegals in it will look like."

It will be very interesting. Remove 20 million, or even half that and watch rents go down and wages go up. Overall health costs will go down. Welfare roles will shrink. The criminal justice system will not be quite so overloaded and crime will go down. Beer and liquor sales will go down, as will legal drug sales. Numbers of school age children will decline, reducing overcrowding all through the education system.

24 posted on 01/11/2017 9:57:34 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (My North America stops at the Rio Grande)
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To: JimRed

They all need to go. No keepers.


25 posted on 01/11/2017 9:59:28 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Petrosius

How do they get back into the USA without a U.S. passport or visa?


26 posted on 01/11/2017 10:01:57 AM PST by forgotten man
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To: Lurkinanloomin

“We need to make it known to illegal aliens that if we have to deport them the law is they will be barred from applying for proper entry for 8 years.”

You’re way to soft. We don’t need ANY more immigrants, especially third-world economic parasites with two digit IQs.


27 posted on 01/11/2017 10:10:48 AM PST by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: wbill

You forgot e-verify. Also, many illegals have arrangements that they can subcontract from legal businesses.


28 posted on 01/11/2017 10:11:04 AM PST by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: dljordan

I agree, but it would incentivize them to go home if they thought they could get in line. We just need to make the line much longer is all.


29 posted on 01/11/2017 10:13:38 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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To: Reno89519

Exactly. The fools who said “you can’t deport 11 million people” just show their ignorance of how enforcement of borders and citizenship would really work.


30 posted on 01/11/2017 10:14:19 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: forgotten man

Obama gave them papers, illegally. He does not have that authority but the Republicans refused to do anything to stop him.


31 posted on 01/11/2017 10:15:02 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Our problem lies with the caste system in place in Mexico. You have people of Indian heritage and those of SW European. The Indians are lower caste, and are heavily discriminated against in Mexico. That’s why they are so desperate to come here. I have sympathy for them (I live in deep south Texas and most of the TexMex restaurants have staff that don’t speak English. I love the people that work there, but we have to enforce our laws.
I am afraid to eat at places in Brownsville because so many Mexicans there hate Norte Americanos. Whole areas of the town, only a few who speak English. I was trying to find a jobsite and couldn’t find anyone who spoke English. Went to lunch with a Mexican crew (all legal). Didn’t get my food until they were finished eating. They all knew why my service was lousy.
Paybacks are hell.


32 posted on 01/11/2017 10:23:09 AM PST by TStro (Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.)
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To: forgotten man
How do they get back into the USA without a U.S. passport or visa?

From the article:

Under a little-known provision of the law, these “DACAmented” individuals – as they call themselves – can get the U.S. government’s permission to travel abroad and return.

A huge added bonus: The legal re-entry into the U.S. can boost the chance to win permanent legal status.

The so-called advance parole provision, which allows the DACA recipients to travel outside the U.S., is typically granted for educational, employment or humanitarian purposes.

Those granted advance parole can re-enter the country legally, which paves the way for possible permanent legal status to those who are later sponsored by a U.S. citizen, an employer or who marry a U.S. citizen.


33 posted on 01/11/2017 10:23:39 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: TheDon

I don’t care which side of the border they are on for Inauguration Day. I want:

1. A road along the entire border, navigable by Jeep or similar vehicle, with triple strand concertina wire barriers 100-200 yards on each side monitored frequently for vandalism. That can be done very quickly and will immediately slow the crossings of illegals. We must secure the border so illegals cannot easily enter (or reenter after being deported).

2. At least one additional barrier on our side beyond those double barbed wire obstacles, whether a fence, a wall, or something else physical to prevent unauthorized passage. Plus a barrier on the Mexican side built by Mexico to avoid penalties/retaliation. We must secure the border so illegals cannot easily enter (or reenter after being deported).

3. Pregnant illegals who are not immediately deported should be held outside the United States so their anchor babies will not be US citizens.

4. All illegals who committed the crime of entering our country illegally or of overstaying after legal entry and then committed any other crime while in our country should be deported. No exceptions. Those deported should be permanently barred from any legal reentry or path to citizenship. Any state or local government with a “sanctuary” policy should be barred from receiving federal funds; and illegals who access social services, including schools, should be provided those services as ordered by the courts but also required to be reported to ICE.

5. All illegals who committed the crime of entering our country illegally in the past two years, and thus have not been here long enough to have stronger ties here than at home, should be deported. In other words, no new growth in our illegal population. Those deported should be permanently barred from any legal reentry or path to citizenship. No exceptions.

6. Once those are taken care of, we should deport the remaining illegals (or better, encourage them to go home on their own). Allow those who go home on their own to apply for legal reentry and legal status. Those deported should be permanently barred from any legal reentry or path to citizenship - again, no exceptions. For those who go home on their own, we should take into account in their visa applications any past history of productive work in the United States, English proficiency if they learned our language while here, and any record of living here without using welfare and other social services.

7. The only way for illegals to gain legal status should be to apply from their home countries for legal entry after voluntarily going home. Note: We also need to fix legal immigration so that the number of immigrants approved by Congress and by the President can obtain visas in a reasonable time to come here, and they can do it from the countries we wish to receive immigrants from, after thorough background checks.


34 posted on 01/11/2017 10:25:31 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: freedumb2003

“The effrontery is mind-blowing.”

Try this crap at a Canadian airport (or Mexico): attempting to enter the country without a student or work visa, or stating an intention to `visit’ as a tourist without a return ticket, cash, and other proof evidencing the reason for your visit, and Canadian Border police will put you on the next plane back to where you came from.

The illegals realize that if they do this after January 20th—when we become a nation of laws again—they may wind up cooling their heels in a small room at the airport until ICE shows up.

I’m thinking Trump may want to keep some of the non-felon illegals around just long enough to pay for the wall. Amortize them out as the wall is built. It makes sense because many will `boomerang’ anyway without border security. Deport the castilians as security is accomplished at crossings; indios as the wall is completed.

Press conference, 1/11
Asked about reports that Mr. Trump was going to ask Congress to pay for building his much-touted wall on the southern border, Mr. Trump rejected suggestions that he was reneging on his promise to have Mexico pay for it, a signature crowd-pleaser during his campaign rallies.
He said Mexico will eventually reimburse the U.S., but that he did not want to wait a year or more for negotiations with Mexico over the issue before starting to build the wall. “This will happen, whether it’s a tax or a payment.”

Start building January 21st.


35 posted on 01/11/2017 10:30:25 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers, all armed conservatives)
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To: TheDon

An immigration attorney explained this to me. If they go back before they are minors, he can probably get them back in the US legally without much effort. If they wait until they are adults, it becomes significantly more difficult to legalize them.

The immigration lawyers I’ve talked to in Texas are all busy these days.


36 posted on 01/11/2017 10:33:29 AM PST by PAR35
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To: central_va; JimRed

TOTALLY AGREE. They arrived here ILLEGALLY. Any law relevant to these people, and enacted by King Obama after their ILLEGAL entry is NULL AND VOID as far as I’m concerned. If any of these “KEEPERS” are so smart, then they will go back where they came from, and re-enter OUR COUNTRY appropriately and LEGALLY.


37 posted on 01/11/2017 10:39:02 AM PST by fivecatsandadog (GO TRUMP! Drain the swamp!)
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To: Pollster1
"The only way for illegals to gain legal status should be to apply from their home countries for legal entry after voluntarily going home. Note: We also need to fix legal immigration so that the number of immigrants approved by Congress and by the President can obtain visas in a reasonable time to come here, and they can do it from the countries we wish to receive immigrants from, after thorough background checks."

Agree. There should also be a limit on the total number of approved immigrants accepted in a given year.

38 posted on 01/11/2017 10:43:47 AM PST by fivecatsandadog (GO TRUMP! Drain the swamp!)
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To: TheDon

AMF


39 posted on 01/11/2017 10:58:45 AM PST by Feckless (The US Gubbmint / This Tagline CENSORED by FR \ IrOnic, ain't it?)
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To: fivecatsandadog

Absolutely. Congress should set that upper limit, and the Executive Branch should decide individual approvals.


40 posted on 01/11/2017 11:02:08 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Lurkinanloomin

The way the law is written, if you enter illegally you are supposed to be barred from LEGAL admission for ten years.


41 posted on 01/11/2017 11:11:33 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

That’s what I thought, another Freeper corrected me and said it was 8.
Whatever it is, we need to make sure illegal aliens know that they will be barred from legal entry if they are deported.


42 posted on 01/11/2017 11:28:15 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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To: TheDon; null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; kalee; TWhiteBear; WildHighlander57; Velveeta; ...

43 posted on 01/11/2017 11:37:54 AM PST by LucyT (>>>> "You're not paranoid, they want you dead." <<<<)
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