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To: odds; SolidWood
I agree with almost all of what you stated.

The American public perception regarding the Kurds (at least in Iraq) is much more favourable, because they are promoted as US allies. The same goes for Afghan, Egyptian, Pakistani, Saudi Arabian, the Gulf states, and Jordanian regimes; none have a good human rights record, and almost all Islamic terrorists in the last 25 years have been from those countries.

In my opinion, there is a big difference in Kurds in Iraq and Syria. Kurds in Iraq seems to be cooperating at some level with Iran. (I don't think this is necessarily a good thing as far as corruption is concerned.) Kurds in Syria are assaulted from all sides and in my opinion have a better relationship with the Christian element. Kurds in Iraq did step in during Kobani to help Kurds in Syria but there are some corruption issues in Iraq that are dividing them at some level.

In my opinion, Egypt and Jordan are not the same as the rest of the list you gave. Egypt especially. A large part of that is because of president Sisi. Such is the case in most of the ME. Whether they are civil to "other than Muslims" is a temporary condition dependent on the leader. Leaders die or are killed, leading to brutality which is preached within Islam. Turkey is going through one of those transitions. Erdogan is an islamist, he's a dictator, he thinks he is God. God knows he is not. Too many of his subjects don't get it. The ones who do are put in jail if they talk about it. Huge numbers are being put in prison for long terms for internet discussion. It is happening.

41 posted on 01/12/2017 3:58:59 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil; SolidWood

Talabani and especially Barzani are pretty good at doing the diplomatic juggling and maneuvering with all their neighbours and ‘others’. Corruption is and will always be an issue in the ME and actually is prevalent in Southeast Asian countries too. That’s cultural. But Iraqi Kurds have been pretty close to Iran for decades at least. When Saddam was attacking them they often crossed the border into Iran to receive medical treatment. Also there is a Yazidi population in Western Iran too, so there is a close connection. It’s natural since the Kurds are ethnically ‘Iranic’ as i was saying before. When ISIS was fighting Peshmerga and also Kurds in Syria, Iranian pepole were vocal in urging the regime to help them.

Okay, Egyptians and Jordanians regimes may be a slight improvement compared to KSA or Gulf States. But if you do some digging up you’ll see they don’t have a good human rights record, including ‘extraordinary rendition’ (torture). More importantly, I was talking about people from mentioned countries who frequently engage in islamic terrorism. I do recall reading a number of them being from Jordan and Egypt. Zarqawi was a more well-known one.


43 posted on 01/12/2017 6:49:26 PM PST by odds
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