Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

There is No Such Thing as Equal Opportunity
The Neo-Ciceronian Times ^ | MAY 14, 2016

Posted on 01/07/2017 11:31:52 PM PST by aquila48

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-39 last
To: where's_the_Outrage?
What I recently found out was that Government Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) offices does not include helping Veterans applying for jobs under the Veterans Employment Opportunity Act (VEOA). Nor could the EEO rep provide who in that organization was responsible for adherence to the VEOA.

I think that the Human Resources department is responsible for that.

I was in a situation recently where we had several applicants for a position, and we *had* to extend a job offer to one of the applicants because she was a disabled vet. We had no choice about it. In the situation of a vet, especially a disabled vet, as long as the person meets the minimal requirements of the position, he or she *must* be hired--even if more qualified persons applied for it. (In our case, the applicant ended up declining the job offer.)

21 posted on 01/08/2017 5:17:39 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: aquila48

No, it is an attempt to redistribute power by taking it away from those who have earned it and giving it to those who don’t deserve it.

It is the dialectical wedge wielded by marxists everywhere.


22 posted on 01/08/2017 5:18:53 AM PST by IronJack
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dp0622

Well said. No one knows the suffering of every other living thing, the agony and the ecstasy of life.


23 posted on 01/08/2017 5:19:32 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: aquila48
Equality has been a powerfully destructive force on our society

The United States Constitution was written and ratified "to secure the Blessings of Liberty to Ourselves and to Our Posterity"

Once you grasp that "Liberty" and "Equality" are antonyms, a lot of things become more clear.

24 posted on 01/08/2017 5:21:54 AM PST by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: alexander_busek

The fact is there is black privilege and government enforced white discrimination, precisely the opposite of the black lies matter meme.


25 posted on 01/08/2017 5:25:24 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Ciaphas Cain
There should always be equality of opportunity. That can never mean however equality of outcome

Putting that opinion into practice creates, over time, social chaos.

When opportunity is radically equalized, and outcomes are radically different, the bottom one third simply does not accept that their outcomes were not an evil done to them by the majority.

Anyone who went to an American public high school in the past 50 years understands this intuitively.

The false ideal of "equal opportunity", like all other libertarian concepts, presumes a population of overwhelmingly rational actors capable of foresight and able to grasp cause and effect.

That's not what we have, though.

26 posted on 01/08/2017 5:27:23 AM PST by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: exDemMom

HR is the one discriminating. They determined me ineligible because I chose “External” candidate saying only internal candidates could apply, even though the announcement said Vets apply as External.

After over 45 days over 5 emails and phone calls finally got them to accept the application, they found me qualified, sent my name to the selecting official, then cancelled the job without hiring me while at the same time opening up the exact same job in a new announcement.


27 posted on 01/08/2017 5:36:45 AM PST by where's_the_Outrage? (Trump the anti politician. About time!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Neoliberalnot

No one knows the suffering of every other living thing, the agony and the ecstasy of life...

And how dare they try!!

Beautifully put, by the way.


28 posted on 01/08/2017 5:55:10 AM PST by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: aquila48

In all fairness, he under-defines “equality of opportunity”.

A proper definition takes three things into account.

The first thing is a term from economics: “opportunity cost”. It basically means that you have enough money for a choice among several choices. To make a choice means that you cannot make the other choices. Opportunity costs happen frequently in life, and this is where individuality comes to the fore.

Your judgment takes into account who you are, and what you think of your own abilities, not just your desires, but your assessment that your choice is *reasonable*, from your point of view.

The second factor in “equality of opportunity” is this, your self definition. If you see yourself clearly, you can not just imagine your capabilities, but also your limitations. The opportunity is still there, but you do not consider it as a choice, because you do not imagine yourself achieving much with this choice.

The third factor is the downside to all this. “Equality before the law”, and the interference of others in choices you want to make. Equality before the law is the rule book to choice. Optimally it equalizes people with the social contract: your opportunities are limited to legal choices.

The interference of others in your choices is the opposite of equal opportunity. It implies coercion. If you choose to be an artist, but your parents demand you become a doctor, you are denied your just equality of opportunity if you are obedient to them.

Likewise, if a supporter of President Trump walks into restaurant while wearing a “Make America Great” hat, and they refuse to serve him, they are denying his equality of opportunity.


29 posted on 01/08/2017 6:14:28 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Friday, January 20, 2017. Reparations end.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: martian622

Permission to steal that?


30 posted on 01/08/2017 7:06:16 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: dp0622
Had a gal in Manhattan tell me last week that I was privileged

Try to avoid people like that.

31 posted on 01/08/2017 7:11:27 AM PST by ladyjane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: aquila48

When our kids were young we would occasionaly hear, “That’s not fair.” when one would get something the other did not. I would respond, “It may not be equal, but it is fair.” In time, they got it.

I am one of those who believes that IN GENERAL life is fair. Not always but in general it is. It is not equal but it is fair.

Also told my kids, if you want to be rich, do what rich people do. If you want to be poor, do what poor people do.
Not that complicated.


32 posted on 01/08/2017 7:22:57 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: aquila48

This article is horribly racist and sexist.


33 posted on 01/08/2017 7:51:10 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (Bring back lords and kings)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: alexander_busek

http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html


34 posted on 01/08/2017 8:00:26 AM PST by aquila48
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Altura Ct.
Truth.

Careful! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH!

35 posted on 01/08/2017 8:36:34 AM PST by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: aquila48

I was joking, just to clarify.


36 posted on 01/08/2017 9:44:29 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (Bring back lords and kings)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Yashcheritsiy

I gathered that...


37 posted on 01/08/2017 12:11:58 PM PST by aquila48
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: aquila48

OK, just wanted to make sure so you didn’t think I was an SJW.


38 posted on 01/09/2017 6:32:02 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (Bring back lords and kings)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: super7man

Please do. I saw this years ago...


39 posted on 01/10/2017 4:36:49 PM PST by martian622 (The Revolution is being televised.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-39 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson