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1 posted on 01/03/2017 10:33:51 AM PST by Kaslin
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History shows they don’t appreciate the bailouts anyway, and they just go back to making the same mistakes that led them to needing our help.


2 posted on 01/03/2017 10:36:47 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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They are voluntarily importing their demise.
Islam has no intention of assimilating.
They are there to take over.
Any money spent on defending them is wasted.
They have forgotten Charles Martel and Jan Sobieski.


3 posted on 01/03/2017 10:38:19 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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I have always been in favor of helping defend Europe but now, NO! At least, not the several countries there whose ruling elite has Sold Out to the IslamoNazi invasion.
Those places are already going down the toilet and soon will have nothing to defend anymore.
I am still happy to help defend countries that have NOT sold out to the enemy ...


4 posted on 01/03/2017 10:40:33 AM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans are not born, they're excreted." -- Marcus Tillius Cicero)
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YES, YES, YES

I’ve been saying this on FR for the last few years - and am accused of being a Putin fanboy

NATO’s real mission ended 25 years ago. It has now morphed into a statist, globalist organization whose job is to stand guard over the leftist social-engineering of Western Europe. It started with Clinton’s Kosovo misadventure and establishment of a Muslim gangster state in Europe. Its now playing out with Obama and Clinton’s utter destruction of Libya and the subsequent “refugee” flow into Europe.

Forget about Putin - Europe will be instead destroyed by Brussels and the likes of Merkel, all while NATO maintains the fraud of alliance and security theater.


5 posted on 01/03/2017 10:42:28 AM PST by PGR88
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And by so doing, we have allowed Europe to use the money they would otherwise had to pony up for their own defense, to run their little socialist/Marxist countries as public welfare states on our dime. Time for it all to end, along with UN membership.


6 posted on 01/03/2017 10:42:40 AM PST by vette6387
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By defending Europe after the cold war all we did was subsidize suicidal socialism in those countries after the Berlin Wall fell.


8 posted on 01/03/2017 10:51:28 AM PST by GraceG (Only a fool works hard in an environment where hard work is not appreciated...)
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Enough with Defending Europe

Europe is kaput. Might as well let those who oppose the muslim invasion escape the continent, then nuke it from orbit until their cockroaches surrender and plead for mercy.

9 posted on 01/03/2017 10:59:39 AM PST by meadsjn
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Definitely time for NATO to be restructured, as some of us on this forum have been pleading for years. It isn't just due to the inequities of resource contribution although that's a perfectly valid point, it's due to the complete geopolitical transformation from Cold War world to the present one.

A couple of minor historical quibbles with the author: Germany was a successful case of "nation-building" only in hindsight. Recall that at the end of WWII it had only been a unified nation since 1871, roughly the same period that Iraq had been a nation as such at the end of the second Gulf War. Moreover, there definitely were U.S. strategic interests in play in 2003 that no longer exist, at least to that degree, in view of greater U.S. energy independence. Anyone who recalls the 1973 oil embargo can attest to those interests.

That aside, nation-building for "democracy's" sake is demonstrably a futile effort. So, incidentally, is the unfortunately similar act of "exporting revolution" as the Soviets found out to their dismay and the Saudis and the Iranians are learning at the present, the former arguably less bloody than the latter but no less expensive.

It is ironic but perfectly predictable that European redirection of defense-related resources to social welfare programs has created enviable societies, a generous piece of which their neighbors have decided they would like to enjoy for free; and that the moral strictures that made such societies "peace-loving" are the same that impel their leaders to sell them out or give them away. Perhaps if you have to defend these resources you value them more, or at least feel the right to say "no". The socialist tendency to regard property as never rightfully yours has the unfortunate effect that others will tend to regard it as rightfully theirs. That is, to be sure, the ethics of locusts, but locusts are a reasonably successful species for all that.

Europe is worth defending. But it can't be defended if the Europeans won't do it.

11 posted on 01/03/2017 11:08:43 AM PST by Billthedrill
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Trump knows the demographic future of Europe: It will be dominated by Islam in 30 years based on Muslim population growth alone — NO MATTER WHAT WE DO!

Merkel just advanced that timeline by several years by inviting 1,000,0000 mostly young MALE sexist/racist Islamicists into the EU.

Trump should convey to the people that in the long run it’s FUTILE for us to spend another red cent defending Europe from its own demise. Withdraw ALL of our military from Europe NOW!

Instead, perhaps Trump is thinking we should LET PUTIN HAVE THE EU and let him deal with the Islamic problem. He’s good at it! He doesn’t cower to Political Correctness! He’s the only hope for Europe to have a semblance of Western Civilization in 30+ years from now.

The PC Euros are way too impotent to do anything about the horrible future they face.


14 posted on 01/03/2017 11:23:00 AM PST by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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I can largely agree with this text but...

1. NATO these days isn’t about defending western Europe as they are far away from the potential front line.

2. US isn’t “Europe’s principal defender”, some folks should check out the current US forces in Europe, they are tiny.

3. If Trump is going to shut down NATO (which I doubt will happen) he should do it ASAP, discussing it for years can only provoke war.


19 posted on 01/05/2017 4:16:11 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Kaslin

Speaking of Europe, Italy is taking in a Gitmo detainee.

Why?


21 posted on 01/05/2017 4:37:00 AM PST by mewzilla (I'll vote for the first guy who promises to mail in his SOTU addresses.)
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The nations of Western Europe, primarily, affluent for decades, have benefited from American protection at American taxpayers' expense. All this time, Western Europe's progressive leaders enjoyed the luxury of diverting untold treasure into their social welfare systems.

AMEN!!! Been saying this for years! It's why it's very hard for me to have much sympathy for them as they embrace the Muslims who would murder them. And also why they shouldn't get one thin dime, or soldier, from us when they inevitably come begging for us to solve their mess.

22 posted on 01/05/2017 4:45:31 AM PST by workerbee (America finally has an American president again.)
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When European countries start flipping to Islamic states, there will be no change in the level of anti-USA-ism.
23 posted on 01/05/2017 4:50:22 AM PST by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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