Posted on 01/02/2017 9:19:39 PM PST by dila813
Because such laws will be ‘gimmes’ to their voters. So laws which conservatives can’t vote for will need Dem votes. And IMO Dems will have to vote for them to get ‘stuff’ for their voters.
Of course they’ll cry it’s not enough and the media will echo them. But in the end I see no choice- their voters would be outraged if the Dems don’t give them freebies.
Obunglecare is like a cancer that has metastasized throughout the US economy. What started out as a monstrous 2,000 page bill ballooned into something like 20,000 pages of regulations.
Cutting all that stuff out will take time, and that assumes that the cutters even want to get rid of it.
If the law is gone, all the regulations vaporize.
But if the Democrats can go to their voters and say "You had your 'stuff' under Obamacare and the Republicans took that away from you" then wouldn't that help them more politically? So why help the GOP at all?
Of course they’ll cry it’s not enough and the media will echo them. But in the end I see no choice- their voters would be outraged if the Dems don’t give them freebies.
I disagree. Sitting back and keeping their distance from Obamacare didn't hurt the GOP when that turned into a train wreck. The Democrats will do the same to whatever replacement the Republicans come up with.
That was before Trump.
I think almost everyone using “Obamacare” is doing so because it is so heavily subsidized for them.
I agree with you, but that’s not where we are as a country right now. So many people think the Constitution is a living and breathing document, which is inane.
You are correct. Insurance across state lines and vouchers and more vouchers to buy on the open market.
ACA will only be expanded in the coming years, it’s not going away.
What they try very hard to avoid are painful “care gaps” for people who have already been paying through the nose, and have continuing medical problems that will not abide a gap in their coverage.
In other words, sure, you could do it in reconciliation, but a lot more innocent people will get hurt. Whereas, only impatient people will get hurt if it takes a year.
these care gaps that would trigger some kind of preexisting condition exclusion are anywhere from 30-90 days depending on what state you are in
If states want to increase it to a longer period of time, the states have the power to change the law.
All power not specifically granted to the Federal Government resides with the states.
We are only returning the power to the state by repealing Obamacare.
The laws as they were or revised since Obamacare remain in place in the States.
That’s how our system works.
But there was no problem.
The stupidity in the assertion is colossal.
That brings up the financing situation. Optimally, the feds can butt out by changing the existing federal financing from micromanagement to block grants, without the innumerable strings that have been included in the past.
Once in that form, the courts have ruled that it is much harder for the feds to add conditions to the basic grant. So this not only ends a lot of expensive federal management, but is a big shift in power back to the states.
But in any event, there are a lot of people who truly understand the inner workings who are working right now for there to not only be a shutdown of Obamacare, but to do so definitively that there won’t be a resurrection once the Democrats get power again.
States were doing this before Obamacare with no financing
Obamacare is a redistribution from the middle class to the sick poor
Ending the nightmares created by FDR and LBJ, as well as Obama is a predicament that goes all the way back to Lincoln.
There was a tremendous concerned that freeing the slaves would create a national nightmare of people unable to fend for themselves becoming a huge problem for the rest of the nation. And this was not a new idea with him, as The American Colonization Society, founded in 1816, that eventually created Liberia, was created by politicians and slaveholders, though eventually people who supported abolition joined it as well.
But the idea came too late to Lincoln, and his Navy Secretary said it was logistically impossible. So the slaves were just freed, and we are still living with the consequences of that today.
Enter FDR, his greatest legacy being the creation of the Social Security system. While the left always worked from the assumption that it would be a “socialized national retirement system”, it quickly became a scam. Proposed solutions are chaotic, because combined with LBJ’s Medicare in the form of the FICA tax, it effectively doubled the Income Tax, in that incoming money was spent on other things.
So why not just end Social Security and Medicare?
Social Security actually does have a very limited purpose, if properly designed and limited. This is to provide a retirement for people who worked in minimum wage jobs and have no other form of retirement. But it must be strictly limited to them.
So oddly enough, there *is* a way to end SS as we know it. Simply end new enrollment for all but minimum wage workers. The FICA tax continues, but instead of going to the government, it goes to individual retirement and medical savings accounts. SS will still take decades to die, but with each year, the burden will become less and less. And Medicare will die as well in the process.
The biggest drawback to this is that it drastically slashes federal revenues. Poor darlings. Having to do with less. So it can only be done at a time of massive cutbacks in spending.
Obamacare for the uninsured will best be destroyed by rolling it into Medicaid. With block grants to the states this will return it to state programs. Effectively it puts the previously uninsured into Medicaid for which they were already entitled.
From that point on it will be up to the states to determine how long those outside of eligibility can remain on their state version of Medicaid.
So yes, your idea is essentially correct, but not as easy as it seems on the surface. At its highest speed, I guess that the minimum time will be 1-2 years. And passionately resisted by the Democrats and the media every inch of the way.
You repeal it, then negotiate, you are getting a head of yourself.
These discussions are ones to have after we have restored the previous state.
A big part of Obamacare was to destroy the previous state.
Right now, we have about 1/3rd fewer doctors, many HMOs and hospitals have had to close, the states are unprepared to return to the old status quo, a vast amount of enabling legislation and regulations must be repealed, etc., etc.
No it doesn’t, we will be fine, time is up
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