Posted on 12/10/2016 4:24:29 AM PST by Nextrush
“Finicum was not shot to wound. He was shot to kill. No tasers, no shots to the shoulder or legs. He was shot to kill.”
Of course he was shot to kill. ANYONE shooting at another person should only do so with a firmly based conviction that the person they are about to shoot poses a current, valid and sufficient threat to kill or severely injure them or someone they know.
Shoulder shots, leg shots, warning shots, tasers through thick winter clothing, that all stuff of the movies.
If you have legal and moral authority to shoot, the only shot is a kill shot.
In the instant, he was a man who was part of a group that had made multiple credible threats to kill LEOs. If he wanted to surrender, all he had to do was stop.
The reality, he chose to run at an armed LEO, after demonstrating hostile, murderous intent as described above.
In that moment, it’s the same thing Michael Brown did.
The bottom line, if someone who is party to a group that has threatened to kill members of group to which I belong, has been photographed numerous times with a deadly weapon, charges at me after commands to stop, I’m going to shoot to kill him, because the only alternative is to give him permission to kill me if he chooses to.
Like Michael Brown, all he had to do was stop and he would be alive today.
Guns and anarchy are very serious and deadly business. Finicum paid the price for his foolishness.
All he had to do was stop.
There are plenty of real Conservative heroes. Finicum, who chose to be shot, is not one of them.
All he had to do was stop.
Seim preaches against all kinds of things like abortion, killing people in general without cause (he figures law enforcement shouldn’t be taking over God’s role like they seem to nowadays too often).
He actually sounds a bit like Glenn Beck in that he wants people on the “Right” and “Left” to find some common ground in spite of differences.
Beck supports politics, Seim is very cynical about it.
Seim wants a Second Amendment that is Constitutional, no permits for this kind or ‘carry’ or that kind of ‘carry’.
Seim comes off like some sort of the John the Baptist.
There are stories out West that the federal government (Bureau of Land Management) puts its facilities on lockdown when he’s traveling through.
Seim may end in jail like John the Baptist.
The FBI was shooting at his truck as he exited, was he trying to get away from being shot at first?
The Oregon Investigation by the local shooting team revealed one of the shots hit the roof of LaVoy’s truck.
IN OREGON THE ONLY VIOLENCE AT THE PROTEST CAME THE FBI SIDE NOT THE PROTEST SIDE......
In a sense, its like Bull Connor using the dogs and water cannon on the teenagers peacefully protesting in the streets of Birmingham in May 1963.
“The UN has no sovereignty over US citizens whether they are suspected of breaking the law or not.”
Agree 100%.
“You mean, of course, an innocent victim who was being fired upon at the first stop, and was worried that unknown masked government thugs were going to murder the women that were with him.”
No, I don’t mean that. I mean a known armed suspect (who previously said he wouldn’t be taken alive), who was fleeing from arrest, exited the vehicle and refused to obey orders. We see those types all the time on the news, and they always end up riddled with bullets, so the outcome here should not be a surprise or a shock to anyone.
“Finicum was probably worried the masked back-shooters were going to rape and then kill the young girl that was in the truck.”
Right, because that wouldn’t be a paranoid delusion or anything.
“The FBI was shooting at his truck as he exited, was he trying to get away from being shot at first?”
We can all see on the video that after he exited the vehicle there wasn’t anyone shooting at him for some time, but he decided to disobey orders from law enforcement anyway.
“IN OREGON THE ONLY VIOLENCE AT THE PROTEST CAME THE FBI SIDE NOT THE PROTEST SIDE......”
Sorry, but when law enforcement sees a vehicle flying towards them at high speed, they are going to consider that “violence”.
“In a sense, its like Bull Connor using the dogs and water cannon on the teenagers peacefully protesting in the streets of Birmingham in May 1963.”
Yeah, sure, maybe if those teenagers were armed, had fled an arrest, had previously said they wouldn’t be taken alive, nearly ran over police officers with a vehicle, then exited the vehicle and decided to ignore armed police officers and make unpredictable movements...
” He was also right handed, so when he reached to his left, suggesting that he was reaching for a weapon does not hold water.”
Law enforcement has no obligation to try and figure out what your dominant hand is when you are disobeying orders and reaching for something while running at them.
Not familiar with the case. What law enforcement was involved?
The videos aren’t pointed in the direction of the HRT members of the FBI shooting at the truck.
The shooting team from Oregon law enforcement that exonerated the state police who fired the fatal shot revealed that the FBI was shooting and one of the bullets came into the truck through the roof.
The FBI guys lied when questioned by the Oregon people about firing shots.
The Portland newspaper was told by Oregon sources the FBI drone video showed the FBI guys going through the snow to recover the shell casings and hide what they did.
He ended up being shot in the back and left to bleed out in the snow. NO ONE checked him. His daughter was prevented.
AND LEO hunted around to gather casings. IN THE SNOW.
This was a hit. No one will ever convince me otherwise.
Lie about it all you want. It doesn't change the fact.
He's always all over these threads where people discuss how Finicum got back-shot and murdered by the yellow law enforcement scum.
Well, that's just a straight-up lie.
You're done in this discussion, unless you retract that and start over.
BTW - I actually have several videos of that incident downloaded to my computer. We did analysis at the time of the assassination.
Promise your done communicating with me?
Thanks.
You appear to be less intelligent than the average Lefty on Twitter.
And that's saying something. 😀
No, it’s actually very simple.
I believe in the Rule of Law, which seems to be a very foreign concept to you.
I especially love that as soon as someone disagrees with you, you adopt the Saul Alinsky rule” “When you cannot attack someone’s logic, attack them personally.”
Have a good weekend.
No, you believe in the Rule of Lie.
You lied about what was in the videos.
We're not interested in bringing you up to speed if you're not interested what actually happened - ON VIDEO.
Actually , I reviewed the video again, and in part you are right. He did, after initially running at the LEO, he did stop.
But the video did also show he dropped his hands from an elevated surrender position to his waist twice.
Was the shoot justified? It’s questionable, but had he and others decided to follow the rule of law and not armed insurrection and anarchy, we all know he would be alive today.
I wish he was.
Look - I just noticed your sign-up date.
We went through all this back in February when it happened.
There were some VERY heated discussions.
The dropping of his hands was probably a reaction to being Tased by the guy in the woods.
If you use the rear of the truck as a 6-foot measure, you can see how close the guy in the woods actually got to him.
Use the keyword Finicum if you want to review these old discussions.
I'm busy right now, but maybe I'll link several of the more salient ones later.
I was harsh with you because I thought you were one of the LEO defenders from those discussions.
Well said.
I just wish it had never started. Armed insurections NEVER end well.
Have a good week.
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