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To: LouieFisk

The China Marines were withdrawn from Shanghai in November 1941.

For four years the Marines were surrounded by and had close dealings with the occupying Japanese and were well regarded.

The China Marines were well aware of the rumors of a coming Japanese attacks and passed on the intel to Pearl Harbor.

My Dad was a Marine and the forward sentry on the USS Phoenix on the morning of December 7th, 1941.

Three days earlier he and the Marine Detachment onboard were ordered to fill all the ammunition boxes for the .50 caliber deck guns and padlock them. The Marine NCO’s were also issued sidearms and Thompson SMG’s. They knew what was coming.

My Dad saw the original recon flyover, shot the lock off the ammunition box and began firing the forward .50 cal. Browning. He said that he heard no other firing before he opened up.

The Phoenix was already making steam as they were to tow a target for gunnery practice that morning. The Japanese made their turns over the Phoenix allowing the Phoenix gunners to shoot down three aircraft. There were no Phoenix casualties and they made it out of the harbor safely.

We had plenty of warning.


2 posted on 12/07/2016 12:23:40 PM PST by gandalftb (Go Seahawks!)
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To: gandalftb

You have very good reason to be proud of your father. He was what Tom Brokaw cited (in one of the few things he got right) a part of “The Greatest Generation”. Americans need to think more often of how much we owe to such men and women.


3 posted on 12/07/2016 12:37:02 PM PST by LouieFisk
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To: gandalftb

I had the extreme honor of servung with a few of the old (and new) China Marines from 1952—1972.

I retired USMC in ‘72 and eventually went online about ‘97 w/a WebTV and bogged/forumed/messgenoarded, etc. as much USMC history as I could find.

Thank you for your posting/response and God Bless!
Dick.Gaines: American!
aka: Gunny G
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4 posted on 12/07/2016 12:38:32 PM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: gandalftb

My dad was also on the USS Phoenix at Pearl Harbor as a young Ensign gunnery officer. His recollection was a little different in that he said it took 30 minutes to build up enough steam to pull away from the dock. Regardless, the USS Phoenix was a great ship and performed well through out the war.


6 posted on 12/07/2016 12:52:38 PM PST by Pamlico (Oppose 0bama at every opportunity)
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To: gandalftb
We had plenty of warning.

Interesting. Same goes for 9/11/01.

8 posted on 12/07/2016 1:09:22 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted. It belongs to the brave. - - Ronaldus Magnus Reagan)
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To: gandalftb
Three days earlier he and the Marine Detachment onboard were ordered to fill all the ammunition boxes for the .50 caliber deck guns and padlock them. The Marine NCO’s were also issued sidearms and Thompson SMG’s. They knew what was coming.

Many military men knew war was imminent. A war warning was issued to the pacific in general by the 6th.

The decoding of the purple code let military analysts know a war with Japan was days away by Dec 6th. They just didn't know where and assumed the most likely target was the Philippines or through southeast asia to Java and Borneo.

A admire those like your dad who could see the obvious, I only wish that they had better leadership. When Ward sank the midget sub and Opana Point detected the incoming attack, that better leadership would at least have gotten the soldiers and sailors out of the rack ready for the attack. The japanese said that the anti-aircraft fire was viscious by the second wave and that is where they lost most of the 29 planes shot down.

9 posted on 12/07/2016 1:16:47 PM PST by pfflier
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