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The dead don’t just vote… they collect pension benefits too
Hotair ^ | 12/03/2016 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 12/04/2016 6:50:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Complain if you will about the fat pension plans which state and federal government workers receive, but after a lifetime of dedicated service it’s a great way to ensure your security in your golden years. Such was the case for Martin Petschauer, an auditor for New York State who put in a long career toiling away for the state and then retired, collecting his pension benefits until October of last year. This was actually quite the feat, particularly when you consider that Martin had passed away before Barack Obama was elected President. (Fox News)

A Florida man has been sent to the slammer for pretending to be his dead brother, a former auditor for New York State, so he could collect $180,000 of his pension benefits over seven years, authorities said Friday.

Officials said Martin Petschauer, of Queens, died on July 9, 2008.

But the state kept sending his retirement checks to Florida, where his brother Robert, 71, controlled his accounts.

When officials finally learned in October 2015 the former auditor had passed away, the checks were stopped.

The brother, Robert Petschauer, was reportedly quite incensed over the state cruelly cutting off his sibling’s checks and even called up to complain. In retrospect, that was probably a strategic error.

We’ve had a few versions of this discussion in the past, but this is yet another reminder of the fact that we still lack a comprehensive method of recording when everyone dies and it’s one of our larger vulnerabilities when it comes to fraud of various types. I’ve lost count of the audits which have revealed how many dead people keep voting in various counties around the country long after they’ve joined the Choir Eternal. When it comes to cashing in, it’s more than just pension funds which are being raided. The Social Security Administration collects news reports of people who do the same thing with their family members’ benefits and some of the cases are truly staggering. Here’s just a couple of their examples.

Here’s another recent case of a Pennsylvania man who admitted to cashing his deceased mother’s Social Security for almost 40 years—from her death in 1973 until 2012. He pled guilty in Federal court, and will be sentenced on January 23 to a maximum of 10 years in prison and a fine of $250,000.

As strange as this may seem, sometimes those left behind have done more than just fail to report their loved ones’ deaths. Last July, a woman was sentenced to over four years in prison after she collected the Social Security benefits of a man who lived in an unlicensed adult foster home that she operated. After he died in 1996, the woman buried him on her mother’s property and even aided the decomposition process by dumping bags of lime on the grave.

She forged his name on the benefit checks that kept arriving, and collected more than $200,000. The woman and her domestic partner initially told our investigators that the deceased man was still alive but out of town. Later they admitted he had been dead for years.

That guy in Pennsylvania was defrauding the system for more than 40 years. And why didn’t he get caught in all of that time? Because there’s no standardized method of recording all deaths and acting on that information appropriately. We manage to keep track of nearly every birth of a legal citizen in this country and we assign them Social Security numbers by default. That same system could be used every time a death certificate is filled out, sending the information to some sort of central database in each state and one at the federal level because people frequently move from state to state. At that point any and all benefits could be promptly cancelled and the name should be reported to the voting precinct where they last lived. Those names could be lined out in the voting books, and if someone showed up claiming to be that person on election day the authorities could be promptly notified.

Would it really be that difficult to implement? And if not, what are the arguments against doing it? Please don’t tell me this is some sort of privacy issue because I don’t think the deceased are all that worried about their privacy. Yes, it would cost some money initially to implement and then to keep up with the maintenance, but it sounds like we’d make that back just in the elimination of fraudulent payments.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: death; fraud; pension; vote

1 posted on 12/04/2016 6:50:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The Democratic Party strongly supports the civil rights of Necro-Americans!


2 posted on 12/04/2016 6:55:16 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The check cashers are criminal....no doubt.

But can’t the pension agencies check the death records themselves?

Seems a simple thing to enter deceased persons names in the database.....and command the system to stop the checks.


3 posted on 12/04/2016 6:56:12 AM PST by Liz (v)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cancel all voter registrations every 4 years (One year prior to POTUS vote) and make folks show up in person to reregister except for active military.


4 posted on 12/04/2016 6:58:08 AM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
The Democratic Party strongly supports the civil rights of Necro-Americans!

LOL. Fear the walking dead.

5 posted on 12/04/2016 7:06:07 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Enforce the Law. Build the Wall.)
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To: SeekAndFind

These pension companies should copy how the VA handles the passing of beneficiaries - the VA is VERY efficient when it comes to stopping benefit checks and even reclaims benefits accidently paid the month after a veteran passes away...


6 posted on 12/04/2016 7:14:21 AM PST by Ken522
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To: Liz
Seems a simple thing to enter deceased persons names in the database.....and command the system to stop the checks.

Seems simple, unless there are two Mortimer Smiths, and they cancel the wrong one's check when the other one's check gets canceled...

7 posted on 12/04/2016 7:20:42 AM PST by null and void ( If you defy federal law, we deny federal funds.)
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To: Ken522

The day after my Mom died I called Social Security to tell them she passed. They asked me to send a death cert but I never did. They pulled her last check straight back out of the checking account within 5 days.
They have the ability to do it they just need a death database. Pretty simple really.


8 posted on 12/04/2016 8:04:47 AM PST by sheana
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To: sheana

When my parents died, the funeral home told us they would notify SSA - since both died after the 25th of the month, we were told by funeral home that we should NOT cash any check that would show up early in the following month. The notifications worked - checks never showed up.


9 posted on 12/04/2016 8:18:18 AM PST by RebelTXRose (Our Lady of Fatima, Pray for us! PRAY THE ROSARY!)
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To: RebelTXRose

Massive savings could be acheived with fingerprint, DNA and Iris database for voters and welfare recipients.

Shibboleth or not, welfare queens have been shifting around dependent children to increase benefits for years.

“LeShawn? He was birthed at home.”


10 posted on 12/04/2016 8:27:37 AM PST by anton
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To: anton

When the IRS started requiring SS numbers for dependent children, the number claimed dropped in half overnight.


11 posted on 12/04/2016 8:47:56 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: Paladin2

I have a plan to stop voter fraud.

It is too long to retype here.

Go to thread #3498841 & to post #44. If anyone can come up with more to add to my plan, please contact me.

Anyone has my permission to pass on this plan.


12 posted on 12/04/2016 8:52:23 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: sportutegrl

11 million illegals had not problem getting a phone SSN. It gives me know comfort that millions of welfare queens are too stupid to overcome that obstacle.


13 posted on 12/04/2016 9:15:43 AM PST by anton
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To: null and void

Nah.....cant be two Mortimer’s at the same address getting checks.

Besides, code numbers, account numbers, SS nos, check series can be double-checked.


14 posted on 12/04/2016 9:20:14 AM PST by Liz (v)
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To: sheana
The day after my Mom died I called Social Security to tell them she passed. They asked me to send a death cert but I never did. They pulled her last check straight back out of the checking account within 5 days.

Same thing happened when my Mom passed away. SS took back the cash within five days. The part I thought was funny, and typical of our Government, was the fact my Mom died on the very last day of the month and SS took back the entire month's payment.

I am not complaining. I did not worry about the money my parents had nor how much I was going to get after they passed. I have two brothers who were calling me about their checks the day after she passed even before I could take care of all the outstanding medical bills and such. My parents would joke to me that they were spending our inheritance and I would always, truthfully, tell them that if there was one dollar left for us to divey up then they didn't spend enough. They earned it so it was not ours to have.

15 posted on 12/04/2016 9:49:58 AM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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