Declaration Of War? Erdogan Says Turkish Forces Are In Syria To End Assad's Rule

Zero Hedge ^ | 11/29/16 | Tyler Durden

[reed13k]

If this is really all about the pipelines as has been speculated then I say Trump unleash US drilling and start shipping to the EU and claim peace through economic power. Cute off at the knees while they are fighting each other.

[reed13k]

Oh oh you want public works projects build an underwater pipeline for natural gas to the UK and/or EU

[Blacklisted]

So, like Obama, you are cool with the Russians invading the Middle East after the USA spent 40 years trying to kick them out of there?

Are you also on Hezbollah and Iran's side against the Syrians fighting for freedom and democracy?

[DoughtyOne]

Russia has been a Syrian ally for at least 60 years that I know of. It didn’t leave Syria ideologically. It left for financial reasons.

What was the best way to bring it back? The answer is Obama joining the fight against Syrian government forces.

Let’s reflect on the timing of the Syrian opposition. It came as the Muslim Brotherhood executed a plan to destabilize governments from Tunisia through to the Arab Emirate states, and up through Syria.

Was it simply an uprising of citizens in Eastern Syria? No. It was an uprising by the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda.

Guess who started the problems in Tunisia. George Soros. He funneled money into Tunisia and the region. His grubby little fingers were all over this. And his nimrod buds in our government went along for the ride. Obama, Clinton, McCain, and Graham advocated for the U.S. to help the terrorists out in Libya.

We funded and armed the Libyan rebels (the Muslim Brotherhood), which resulted in the loss of a very good ally, Hosni Mubarak. It also cost us our Libyan Ambassador Chris Stevens and his staff’s lives.

I will also talk about Libya, a country whose leader had turned over his nuclear weapons program, and was in that time content to simply lead his people. He was essentially a stable pretty well known individual. He knew that if we would take Hussein down in Iraq, we would do the same to him. He decided to stop being an thorn in our side.

The Arab Spring was a pipe dream of Soros, and we had allied with him and terrorists to pull it off.

The Syrian uprising started in the same time frame where about 12 nations in the region saw elevated uprisings. In most they didn’t go very far, but in Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt, they did. Syria was in line to join them too.

The U.S. dumped money into Eastern Syria, funding and arming al Qaeda. This most certainly resulted in arms and funds helping to establish ISIS.

What we actually had in Syria was a government that wasn’t openly anti-U.S., was fairly decent to Christians and Jews. I didn’t know that until several years ago, but it true.

Assad wasn’t quite the ruthless guy I had envisioned him as being over the years. Now that’s not to say he didn’t do problematic things, but al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood, and certainly ISIS would not have been better.

Assad allowed Iran to supply Hamas (perhaps Hezbollah, I forget which as I write) in Southern Lebanon, so he wasn’t without problems for us or Israel. None the less, the other factions vying for power in Syria, would have been devastating if they had taken over the government of Syria on Israel’s Northern border.

Those factions operate as an army, and they would have been on Israel’s border with massive numbers of armed and well financed fighters.

So do I prefer Russian in at this point? I do. Why? Because Russia is willing to stand up to the Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda, and ISIS.

It is inconceivable to me that anyone with half a clue could have envisioned one of these three groups armed and financed on Israel’s border unless they hated Israel and wanted it to be over-run in short order.

There would have been a war in months, had those groups taken over. Russia actually pulled Israel’s ass out of the fire there.

Under the Soviet Union, I would agree with your take. Under Putin, we have a more stable situation that doesn’t promise war against Israel in months.

Do I want Putin and Russia in Syria. Hell no. What’s the quickest way to get him and Russia out?

Stop funding and arming terrorist groups that are more threats to peace in the region than Russia is, at the moment.

Without us there, and a real threat to the Syrian government, Russia will fade again in Syria. If Trump is as smart as I think he is, he’ll make overtures to Putin and Assad, and try to heal the wounds Obama, Clinton, McCain, and Graham inflicted.

Soros involvement:

http://www.wnd.com/2011/02/260577/

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/01/18/tunisian-revolt-another-sorosned-jack-up/

https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/about/offices-foundations/arab-regional-office

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=soros+open+society+institute&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights=

[Jack Hammer]

Did he check with Putin first?

[Blacklisted]

You really believe it was some vast George Soros left-wing conspiracy, and not the courage and sacrifice of our troops, which inspired the Arab People to be want to want to be like us, and become American Revolutionaries in their own nations demanding freedom and democracy for themselves while doing our country and the rest of the world a favor by overthrowing the Pan-Socialist Dictator enemies of the USA and Mankind who have American blood all over their hands?

[DoughtyOne]

Please read the materials I provided.

There’s no denying what took place. I gave you three or four sources.

Those people didn’t want to become like the U.S. They were consolidating control, and left no room for a Constitutional Republican anything like ours.

Egypt is one nation that was not our enemy. When it’s government was overturned and Mubarak placed in jail, the Muslim Brotherhood dominated government was quickly overturned because of it’s Islamist ideals, which soon caused panic when folks saw what was coming.

Tell me what trouble Khadaffy was causing in real time, when his government was toppled.

Tell me what the leaders of Tunisia were doing that was anti-U.S.

Tell me what Assad had been doing that was anti-U.S.

None of them were openly anti-West at the time of their conflicts.

As I said, there were about twelve different nations affected by the Arab Spring.

Who among them were openly anti-West, and didn’t have massive fortunes invested in the West?

Who stood to lose, if the West’s interests suffered and markets tanked?

[justa-hairyape]

The uprising of the Arab people was just to give cover for the EU and US Oligarchs, who unleashed their horrific plans to arm and train the world’s most homicidal terrorists. We need congressional investigations and all those involved with arming and funding terrorist should be jailed.

[Pete from Shawnee Mission]

The good news is that Turkey has not been attacked, Turkey is attacking. This eliminates any need for NATO intervention. NATO should use this as a reason to expel Turkey from NATO and we need to remove our nuclear weapons to a safer place like Isreal.

[PIF]

“The issue is to provide lands to their real owner” or begin our new Ottoman empire which ever comes first.

[Rebelbase]

Turkey invades Syria and attacks Syria’s ally Russia.

Where does NATO come into play?

[Blacklisted]

You didn't want Gaddafi, the tyrannical supreme leader of The Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriy, to pay for his crimes, let alone lose his job? And when you say “real time” are you suggesting that there was a statute of limitations for all of his crimes like Lockerbie?

You've got it all wrong, my friend, because you're under the mistaken impression that Obama caused the Arab Spring when he actually did everything in his power to kill it and The Bush Freedom Agenda in order to maintain the status-quo of socialist dictatorship in the Middle East.

[Blacklisted]

Obama should be jailed not for arming the Syrians, but rather for placing an arms embargo on them five years ago which allowed their government to slaughter 500,000 citizens in an unnecessary war that could have been prevented had Obama not foolishly intervened in that manner.

[DoughtyOne]

You didn't want Gaddafi, the tyrannical supreme leader of The Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriy, to pay for his crimes, let alone lose his job?

And when you say “real time” are you suggesting that there was a statute of limitations for all of his crimes like Lockerbie?

I don't have any misconceptions about Kadaffi was.  He was the mastermind behind Lockerbie.  Reagan attacked his compound and his daughter was killed.  He did pay a price for his treachery.

This sam Khadaffi started a nuclear weapons program.  After the United States moving into Iraq for the second time, and removing Hussein from power, Khadaffi made an offer to turn over his nuclear wespons program to the West.  That was the end of the hostile Khadaffi.  At that point he was a known quantity.  In the Middle-East known quantities are sometimes the best you can hope for.  Soros, Obma, Clinton, McCain, and Graham all backed the militants who wanted to remove him.  Those militants were the members of the Muslim Brotherhood.  The Muslim Brotherhood sprang out of nowhere, just like ISIS would later.

What do they both have in common?  There is a common connection.  It is money and arms.  Soros through his corporations, gave money to start chaos in the Middle-East.  The hope was that militants would take control, and focus on Israel.  Didn't happen.

Why is the name Soros so important here?  It is because he had personal relations with all the U.S. players involved in the Arab Spring.  His donations are documents.  His connections to Obama, Clinton, and McCain are documented.  If McCain is in it, Graham is up to his eyeballs in it too.  Graham is McCain's not so little mimi me.  ( mini him [McCain] )  Whatever McCain was mixed up in, Graham was there during that time period.

Are you aware Obama had Muslim Brotherhood advisers in the White House Oval Office?  Are you aware McCain was meeting with them in the Middle-East?  Who do you think those people in the photos were, just good old rednecks who wanted U.S. style government over there?  NO.  It was the Muslim Brotherhood doing what the followers of Islam do.  They take over governments and start Islamic states like Iran.

Why would I want Khadaffi removed and replaced with the most radical elements of the Middle-East?  Their consolidation of power would leave the most anti-U.S. people in charge of the region.  Other referred to it as the Arab Spring, or freedom fighters...  I referred to it as the beginnings of a United States of Iran.  While Iran may not have been behind what was going on, the style of government these people would set up would be identical to Iran's.  They would have the same identical anti-U.S. stances, and a new willingness to actively fight Western Civilization.  Why would I want that?  Why would you?

Obama did not fight to stop the Muslim Brotherhood.  He was their ally.  They were his ally and advisor in the White House.

You've got it all wrong, my friend, because you're under the mistaken impression that Obama caused the Arab Spring when he actually did everything in his power to kill it...

Look, all this is on the record.  Whose weapons do you think were used to attack the U.S. Embassy in Libya? We supplied those radicals with funding and arms.  Obama did at the behest of Clinton, McCain, and Graham.  He thought it was a good idea too, and they all were fellow travelers of George Soros.

...and The Bush Freedom Agenda in order to maintain the status-quo of socialist dictatorship in the Middle East.

There are worse things than the present leadership in the Middle-East.  If you think the people who removed Hasni Mubarak in Egypt were friends of the West, you need to re-evaluate your stance.  They were the same folks who had moved from Tunisia through Libya and on into Egypt.  Shortly after that they were in eight to ten other nations including Syria.

Are you aware that Obama, Clinton, McCain, and Graham wanted to arm and fund the 'good terrorists' in Syria?  They didn't learn a darned thing from Libya and Egypt.  They armed and funded al Qaeda members in Syria.  Those arms and fundings sparked the emergence of ISIS.  Funding by Soros sparked the Muslim Brotherhood and the Arab Spring, and funding by the U.S. sparked ISIS and it's move across northern Iraq and down almost to the capital.  For a while there it looked as if Iraq would fall to ISIS.  This was an al Qaeda, ISIS, and U.S. based group.  We were actually arming and funding terrorists, expecting the result to be positive.

Where did you get the idea that our funding of people in Libya, was only simple freedom fighters?  Where did you get the idea that Obama wasn't a fellow traveler with the Muslim Brotherhood?

I'll provide information for you this last time.  If you decide to ignore it like the information I provided to you up thread, go ahead.  That will leave you a party of one who doesn't get what I just laid out for you.

Congress wants to stop Obama from meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood: http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/congress-wants-to-stop-obama-from-meeting-with-the-muslim-brotherhood-in-the-white-house/

Obama has Muslim Brotherhood advisors in the White House: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/07/the-muslim-brotherhood-comes-to-the-white-house/

Obama supports the Muslim Brotherhood: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/3/inside-the-ring-muslim-brotherhood-has-obamas-secr/  

McCain advocates arming "rebels" inside Syria:  http://thehill.com/policy/defense/211597-mccain-graham-call-for-us-to-arm-syrian-rebels

McCain still didn't get it.  He will never get it.  He's a frustrated old anti-Conservative without a single clue.

Who were the militants in Iraq?  Al Qaeda.  Who were the militants in Syria?  Just more freedom fighters like those in Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt?  Those were terrorists.  The people in Libya didn't want them.  The people in Egypt didn't want them.  And I'm not convinced folks in Syria want terrorists running things either.

Obama and McCain have aligned with terrorists.  Thank goodness an adult figure is waiting in the wings.

[Blacklisted]

Reagan did not pay your hero, Qaddafi, back for his treachery as Lockerbie came a full two and a half years after Reagan bombed Libya, so you are indeed relying upon some misconceptions.

Just listen to yourself! You are claiming that Obama wanted to topple his fellow socialist dictators and promote freedom and democracy in the Middle East, which, of course, is a ridiculous assertion because Obama has been trying to put the freedom Genie back in the bottle ever since W let it out.

Obama’s not a Muslim, although I wish that he was an Allah-fearing fearing Muslim instead of the godless, atheistic socialist he is because if he was one, he wouldn't have allowed so many of his fellow Muslims to die on his watch.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for the additional comments.

Look, I think you’re off base.

Even here you address his religion, and he declared that if political winds became twisted, he would stand with Islam.

He said this in his book, he supposedly wrote.

There’s no denying these things:

1. Soros spread money around Tunisia and other places at the start of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Arab Spring

2. Obama armed and funded the Muslim Brotherhood.

3. Obama armed and funded al Qaeda in Syria.

4. ISIS sprang forth with arms and funds Obama had supplied to the Eastern part of Syria.

Take care.