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Sin taxes on alcohol and tobacco have cost the Treasury more than £31 billion, analysis finds [UK]
Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 14 November 2016 • 12:01AM | Peter Dominiczak

Posted on 11/13/2016 8:12:09 PM PST by Olog-hai

Sin taxes on alcohol and tobacco have cost the Treasury more than £31 billion, an analysis has disclosed amid calls for a reduction in the Autumn Statement.

Around £31.6 billion of tax revenue has been lost because of the illicit market in spirits, beer, wine, cigarettes, rolling tobacco and diesel, according to the analysis of HMRC figures by the Taxpayers’ Alliance.

The high taxes on alcohol and tobacco simply fuel a black market in the goods which means that HMRC loses money, the campaign group said. …

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alcohol; eussr; sintax; sintaxes; tobacco

1 posted on 11/13/2016 8:12:09 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

High taxes = black market.

Black market = crime + no taxes.

Liberals never understand this.


2 posted on 11/13/2016 8:16:47 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Olog-hai

Just wait until these idiots in government figure out they can tax sex.


3 posted on 11/13/2016 8:37:26 PM PST by W. (Aw, crap, it's still dark.)
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To: W.

is it going to be taxed by the minute? :)


4 posted on 11/13/2016 8:44:42 PM PST by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: Olog-hai

Around a decade ago in Germany, there was a two-step tax increase figured up for cigarettes. The pro-health people jumped into this and got all hyped up.

So about eighteen months into step one with its increase, it was almost time to move to step two. Someone asked in the German Bundestag....how effective was step one. So the Zollamt (tax people) stepped up and noted that it was an odd thing. They knew that on average, people were buying X amount of smokes per month. So, they added up the numbers and said over the past year....they’d lost roughly 400 million Euro...NOTE, not gained, but actually lost.

People had stopped buying cigarettes. This didn’t make much sense. So they went to the agents who stop vehicles coming in from Poland, Austria, etc. It’s an odd thing...private citizens...into the thousands....were bringing in untaxed cigarettes. We aren’t talking a dozen cartons in the car....we are talking about hundred cartons....sometimes in trailers or bread-trucks...a thousand cartons.

So they analyzed all of this and came to this gut-feeling. That tax increase (phase one) took the smokers to the point of buying black-market smokes. It was now acceptable and people were willing to take the risk. They then said that going to phase two would be crazy because it’d just more and more legal sales to be non-existent. The health-freaks went nuts because they believed people were actually smoking less and phase two would take them to even fewer smokers.

In the end, they agreed to stop phase two.

Today, a couple hundred people each month are stopped and searched for illegally imported smokes. People are busted every single day. Here in Hessen, some couple last month were driving back from some vacation in a customized RV from Romania. The whole roof section was examined and loaded with untaxed cigarettes. 15,000 Euro fine will occur, and the authorities are talking about an actual jail-term for the two.


5 posted on 11/13/2016 9:32:45 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: Olog-hai

Could it be. I know, radical to think. But could it be people are drinking and smoking less???


6 posted on 11/14/2016 12:37:48 AM PST by Organic Panic (Gentrification in America. Rich White Man Evicts Poor Black Family - MSNBCPBSCNNNYTABC)
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To: Olog-hai
illicit market in spirits, beer, wine, cigarettes, rolling tobacco and diesel

Using diesel fuel is a sin?

7 posted on 11/14/2016 2:21:45 AM PST by Tax-chick (Proud to be on the enemies list.)
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To: Tax-chick

Using diesel acquired without paying their usurious tax on it is a very grave sin in the eyes of those who benefit from the tax.


8 posted on 11/14/2016 2:23:04 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Well, yes ... but that wasn’t the context of the sentence.


9 posted on 11/14/2016 2:25:41 AM PST by Tax-chick (Proud to be on the enemies list.)
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To: dp0622

By the stroke, if they had their way... Ha!


10 posted on 11/14/2016 3:36:46 AM PST by W. (Aw, crap, it's still dark.)
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To: Tax-chick

It’s in the Bible :)


11 posted on 11/14/2016 4:14:06 AM PST by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: dp0622

LOL!


12 posted on 11/14/2016 4:14:58 AM PST by Tax-chick (Proud to be on the enemies list.)
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To: Tax-chick

Sure is, especially after the government(s) decided to persecute VW over it.


13 posted on 11/14/2016 7:07:26 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: RegulatorCountry

Yes, there is a huge market for “washed cherry” cleaned red diesel (agricultural diesel) over there. The IRA used to make millions by washing thousands of litres of it at once on farms in Ulster. But anyone caught doing that process would be looking at as much jail time as a rapist!


14 posted on 11/14/2016 11:54:00 AM PST by Go_Trump_2016
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