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The End of the Clinton Era of Democratic Politics
New York Magazine ^ | 11/10 | Ed Kilgore

Posted on 11/10/2016 8:33:58 PM PST by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 11/10/2016 8:33:58 PM PST by nickcarraway
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Neither Clinton nor Obama will have left a legacy of new democrats ready to take over. When Obama was elected, the democrats had the house and senate as well. when Obama leaves, his successor will already be gone, the house and senate will be republican, soon the supreme court will have a republican majority, and 31 state legislatures will be republican. Any democrat with name recognition will be a fossil.


2 posted on 11/10/2016 8:42:32 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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“Any democrat with name recognition will be a fossil.”

This, simply, is brilliant bit of analysis.


3 posted on 11/10/2016 8:45:06 PM PST by WKTimpco
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To: nickcarraway

No. ,not the end.

Cue yoda, there is another......clinton.

Do it for my mom. Elect me. Show the nasty sexist men.

You do know this is what awaits.


4 posted on 11/10/2016 8:46:29 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: nickcarraway
Indeed, the familiar observation that Hillary Clinton was running for "Obama’s third term" this year could quite easily yield to a broader characterization that she was running for a fifth term for the Clinton-Obama brand of center-left politics.

This is absolutely false. The transcripts of the Wall Street speeches dumped by Wikileaks exposed Hillary Clinton as a complete fraud even within her own party. She was really running for a sixth term of the Bush-Clinton brand of corporate "neo-con" globalism. Obama will be remembered as an outlier in Democratic politics in the 1990-2016 period, not a standard-bearer. Under the influence of the Clintons the party sold out to Wall Street.

History will show that she lost this election because she was forced to go begging for votes among the same Obama supporters she had alienated in 2008 when she built her campaign around a white working-class demographic that ended up solidly in Trump's corner on Tuesday.

5 posted on 11/10/2016 8:49:56 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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It won't happen.

If Chelsea Clinton ever gets into politics, she'll end up relegated to a safe House seat in New York City where 90% of the registered voters are Democrats. And that will be the extent of her political career.

That mediocrity has "third-generation Kennedy" written all over her.

6 posted on 11/10/2016 8:51:31 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: nickcarraway

End of the Clinton Dynasty and possibly the Bush Dynasty.

A 2-fer!

Doesn’t get much better than that.


7 posted on 11/10/2016 8:52:04 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Alberta's Child

Your analysis is much better than that of the writer of the article.


8 posted on 11/10/2016 8:58:42 PM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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For all of Hillary Clinton’s vast policy chops...

I almost stopped reading there. Hil's policy chops aren't even half-vast. They're a collection of idiot social nostrums and a firm record of betrayal of the old Democrat base, exemplified by the coal miners who weren't even worthy of consideration as human beings within her "vast policy chops". White working men, deplorables, surely, but you know what? They voted.

9 posted on 11/10/2016 9:00:05 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Vince Ferrer

When Obama took office, Arkansas had a Dem governor, 2 Dem Senators and 3 Dem and 1 Republican Representatives.

When Obama leaves office, Arkansas will have a Republican governor, 2 Republican Senators, 4 of 4 Republican Representatives, and both chambers of the state legislature.


10 posted on 11/10/2016 9:00:28 PM PST by TomGuy
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This basically stipulates that for Democrats to be successful, they must be lucky enough to govern at a time when the economy of its own doing is kicking so much as that it can survive being milked and kicked by the government.

That's to say - they either have to be lucky riding a super strong business cycle, and/or their very riding and milking the cycle is hastening it's down turn or as with FDR and Obama ... perpetuating its recession phase.

Wonderful way to govern ... be a blind squirrel, pray for an acorn, trip over an acorn every 35 years or so (as Clinton did,) claim credit for its being there, pour acid on it to hasten its disintegration, blame the oak tree for its disappearance when your family is soon starving, poor acid on the roots of the oak trees hoping another nut will soon fall into your path. Blame the oak tree when it doesn't materialize. Pour more acid on oak tree roots. Call oak trees privileged racists. Scold the oak tree. Cry and color with crayons in safe spaces when your family throws you out for sucking at being a squirrel.

11 posted on 11/10/2016 9:02:42 PM PST by tinyowl (A is A)
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He may find history not too kind to his 'legacy' if the Republicans do dismantle Obamacare. That was about the only major 'accomplishment' he had. The rest of his domestic policy was a disaster. And his foreign policy will, like Carter, have repercussions for decades.


12 posted on 11/10/2016 9:06:23 PM PST by TomGuy
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And that is the nut of the problem for the democrats. They have almost no farm team to build candidates for the national level.

The democrats will become a regional party focused on California and New York, and will become increasingly out of step with everyone else. Successful democrats in California or New York will have a harder and harder time being successful nationally.

Something I learned this election is that despite the huge numbers of electors in California, it was completely useless to Clinton. This is because by getting southern, Midwest and rust belt states, Trump reached 270 before California could matter.

13 posted on 11/10/2016 9:12:26 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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Thank you. LOL.

I think I convinced a number of Hillary Clinton supporters not to vote for her -- by using the Wikileaks evidence to point out that she was really the "Republican" in this race.

This was basically an election involving a Democrat-Republican (Clinton) and an independent (Trump) who had finagled his way onto the Republican ticket.

14 posted on 11/10/2016 9:21:28 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Vince Ferrer

That was sweet was it not? californication relegated to back bench status.


15 posted on 11/10/2016 9:21:35 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: nickcarraway

The liberals lament that we should have elected Hillary because she’s a woman, just as they elected Obama because he’s black. Instead, we elected Trump, because he isn’t a Clinton.


16 posted on 11/10/2016 9:22:07 PM PST by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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17 posted on 11/10/2016 9:23:15 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Vince Ferrer
Michigan was the most astonishing story of this election for me.

Not that Trump won there (apparently), but because I never realized how strong the Republican Party had gotten there in recent years. They have a GOP governor, the GOP controls both state legislative houses, and 9 of their 14 House seats are held by Republicans.

18 posted on 11/10/2016 9:24:50 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Vince Ferrer

We should use this time to push an alternative second party. It’s a two party system. Why give anything to the rats? Give the libertarians a boost to replace the rats as the second party.


19 posted on 11/10/2016 9:52:26 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Nigel Farage for US Ambassador to the UN!!)
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To: Billthedrill

The Democrats failed to grow into a centrist party.

They have drifted further and further Left, losing most of the country.

Nowadays they’re the party of stagnating urban centers, college towns and trendy suburbs.

They command no real appeal to any one else.


20 posted on 11/10/2016 10:27:50 PM PST by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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