Posted on 11/03/2016 11:17:04 PM PDT by Perseverando
The big dem controlled cities are going to have electrical outages and assorted machine malfunctions and thus then say they can’t deliver an accurate count. Then......
A tax revolt?
Sure, shave your head and paint a bull’s-eye on it.
People are terrified of the IRS.
I could imagine maybe ten million not paying taxes and ‘outing’ themselves as seditious felons who can be stripped of all property, called in and questioned, subjected to reeducation, subjected to more draconian gun control than others, and required to perform ten years of community service to avoid more jail time.
‘The big dem controlled cities are going to have electrical outages and assorted machine malfunctions and thus then say they can’t deliver an accurate count. Then......’
Good news: time is against them. People are learning the truth exponentially.
Actually, the democrats think their polls are hemmoraging [because they’ve been kind of believing in their earlier flawed polling].
The sooner this comes to a vote the better. They will either steal the election or they will attempt to make their loss as close as possible [and yes — cloud the issue. Dogs ate their homework. Power outages. Terrorists. KGB.]
I am glad to have noticed your post 5 about the Ukrainian backlash to a stolen election.
This is a grave concern to me.
I’m good at seeing weaknesses in plans and want to ‘kick the tires’ of your thinking. But please bear in mind that I’m actually hoping you do have a good plan in mind.
I personally think that the US government has been testing ways to suppress public uprisings. In fact, whether by intention or not they learned a LOT about how to do it during the Iraq occupation.
General Petreus in fact worked out an effective blueprint, an ‘ink blot’ strategy that could have won the Vietnam War [it had been successfully tested there and dropped for political reasons] and might even enbolden Obama’s political generals to think it would work here if it comes to that.
I don’t think politcal generals are as savvy as professional, and I think that military morale would plummet within days. But initially we could find ourselves in a dangerous situation that could even include mass slaughter.
[I’ll go off-line, write a careful post, and start a thread later featuring your take as well.]
Have to agree. I believe too many Americans would just accept the election results. An overwhelming majority of them believe the dally polls they see on CNN and Fox.
You're exactly right: the fastest way to bring the Federal Behemoth to its knees is to stop feeding it our tax dollars. Been advocating FOR YEARS that all WORKING, TAX-PAYING Americans take a one week vacation and refuse their vacation pay. No vacation pay = no tax receipts to the Federales.
That's really all it'd take to upset the apple-cart here, it's just too bad so many cannot make such a small sacrifice because they're living paycheck to paycheck. The bastards (Feds) have us right where they want us in that regard!
I’ll just respond here. The key thing is the Ukrainian media. How much conflicting reporting was going on there? I’m under the impression that the media united behind the revolution.
If Election is Stolen: is it wise to expect effective backlash?
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You were the most well-informed optimist I’ve run into so far.
Reading your post ‘The Orange Revolution’ would appear to offer us hope. But the US Establishment has learned to ‘work the system’ for a long time.
Here is an important difference: Ukrainian television broadcast several sociologists who rapidly persuaded the public that the vote counting was a brazen and complete fraud.
Here in the US we have conflicting reports. If Twitter, Facebook, and the Alphabet ‘BS’ channels all team up in agreement, they can downplay and even belittle any claims of vote fixing as ‘wild exagerations’.
Possible Solution:
I think it is essential that we remember vividly the disparity of yard signs. Etch it in your mind. Then the rest is easy. No way can a corrupt witch like Hillary be doing so well in an election, especially after what she did to Bernie Sanders.
... but ...
A massive peaceful march could lead to frightening contingencies [bearing no fruit] which include media suppression.
1. Our media is notorious for alterting the reported size of crowds. Rather than ‘millions of peaceful protestors’, they would report ‘a few thousand wild eyed militia-types armed with guns.’
2. Even if the media is 100% honest, Hillary has someone call Creamer, and his professional rioters could orchestrate ‘spontaneous violence’ inside the peaceful crowds. Members of the National Guard would be bucked up with cherry-picked footage and do their duty.
Chaos dies down. The media sees which side ‘is winning’ and returns to its normal spin mode. We get flooded with illegal immigrants, Syrian refugees, and a federal court that stands up for the rights of illegal immigrant ‘votes’.
Checkmate.
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But who knows? You study history, which makes you more informed than most optimists who probably rely on movies.
You might be more right than I am. But if Hillary wins, not everyone on this forum should join such a dangerous peace march IMO. People who consider themselves ineffective researchers and/or poor networkers might join in, but people like you and others: I hope you think twice.
The US media would not have our backs the way the Ukrainian media apprently did. And that’s key to any peaceful resistance.
If I’m wrong about the Ukrainian media, please correct me. But it appears they sided against the stolen election.
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The feds print money. Income taxes are only used to create financial dependency.
Also bear in mind that young institutions are more idealistic and less corrupt than older ones.
The Ukrainian media was too young. You could almost say they were ‘drunk with the spirit of freedom’, something entirely new to them.
Many of our media outlets are way too old, too esblished, and rooted in corruption.
I posted this on Monday morning http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3487123/posts. We are treading in dangerous waters and they are not going to turn power over willingly.
The problem is that we see the world through the rational lens while half of our fellow citizens see the world through the irrational lens.
The Press says things are great with the Democrats in charge even though we know they are not.
The Democrats keep printing money which props up the stock market. We used to see the stock market as a gauge of how our businesses were doing. It doesn’t show that now.
We relied on our Congress to rein in the Federal government with the power of the purse. The Democrats are just printing money. We voted for our Representatives and Senators. We the people could control the government through the power of the purse.
Not today.
This country is riding in the Democrat jalopy as they accelerate down the road to hell.
The strategy would be to organize a massive tax revolt by millions, starting on a well-known and accepted date, with high confidence that those who have pledged to participate will actually do so.
Expecting people to just do it sua sponte would of course fail for the reasons you mention.
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‘The strategy would be to organize a massive tax revolt by millions ...’
They simply make themselves targets to pick off piecemeal.
That’s ‘static defense’, kind of like anchoring your ships in Pearl Harbor until the Japanese figure out precisely how to destroy them.
I led an underground grassroots movement back in the 90s. It was a lot more clever than this idea, but they found out my address and no one else had the initiative to move forward without me.
You need to communicate, network off the grid.
I’ve also been trying to help others be self-starters. But you need to work things out — anticipate the response.
Clarification: without me the Black Ribbon movement itself faded, but the FR endured and even held an event on C-Span.
So to be clear ....
For decades it had been and was a propaganda arm of the utterly corrupt government; in this case the President Kutchma regime that was actively involved with Putin/Russia in rigging and stealing the election for Victor Yanokovich = a TWICE CONVICTED FELON AND MEMBER/HEAD OF THE RUSSIAN MAFIA IN UKRAINE.
As soon as the election was over the MSM quickly proclaimed that Yanokvich won in a landslide (due to vote rigging and ballot box stuffing) and went right along with proclaiming the lie that Yushenko lost the election and that Yanokovich has "won".
ALL of the TV, radio and print media kept repeating "the big lie" for days and days after the fraudulent election results had been posted. However, the populace didn't believe or fall for any of it. Because like Trump vs Clinton, Yuschenko ran on a platform to end corruption and was wildly popular with his rallies drawing huge crowds of enthusiastic voters while Yanokvich was pushed by the government the MSM establishment and the Russian mafia. His lack luster campaign events drew few people. He had little support because the populace knew who and what he was.
The news shows on ALL of the networks invited a multitude of professional, "talking heads" (who were unanimously supporting the corrupt regime) all day long to perpetuate the fraud, confirm the cooked "election results", prop up Yanokovich and vilify the petulant protesters. The MSM also went out of their way to habitually denigrate the protesters and to drastically downplay the significance of the Orange Revolution, the size of the demonstrations and how many people were actually involved.
In spite of all the propaganda, "spin" and outright lies perpetuated by the media, working in consort with the corrupt Ukrainian government/regime to attempt to dampen public opinion, public support for the movement and end the Orange Revolution, NOTHING WORKED! EVERYTHING THEY TRIED BACKFIRED: THE PROTESTS EXPANDED, THE CROWDS GREW EXPONENTIALLY AND CONTINUED DAY AND NIGHT FOR WEEKS UNTIL THE Orange Revolution's DEMANDS WERE MET.
The MSM and the government FAILED COMPLETELY BECAUSE BOTH INSTITUTIONS HAD LOST ALL CREDIBILITY = The Ukrainian public at large no longer trusted anything coming out of their collective mouths.
1) The citizens of Ukraine knew their corrupt government, in conjunction with its "Main Stream Media" had stolen the election via mass voter fraud and that they were boldly perpetuating the lie that Yanokvich had won.
2) The Ukrainians didn't believe anything they were being told about the election results or the Orange Revolution. They no longer trusted the MSM, their corrupt government because both had lost all credibility.
3) The citizens of Ukraine believed the evidence of their own eyes: The Orange Revolution; its protesters, its demands and the overwhelming support of populace was real. They were genuine, massive, growing, peaceful AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY THE PROTESTERS WERE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING THEIR PROTESTS UNTIL THEIR DEMANDS WERE MET. It was an unstoppable, ever-expanding "movement".
Eventually, the MSM HAD TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, THEY LITERALLY HAD NO OTHER OPTION because things got so bad: government, daily life, EVERYTHING either shut down or was directly impacted by the Orange Revolution and everyone knew it, they had no alternative but to tell the truth because otherwise they would have become a laughing stock.
Once the MSM finally began to accurately report what had been and was taking place: i.e., the corrupt Ukrainian government, the fraudulent election results, the mass scale of the Orange Revolution composed of honest, patriotic Ukrainians protestors who wanted an end to the corruption and free and fair elections, their whole "house of cards" collapsed.
The similarities between what took place in the Ukraine and what is happening here in the USA this election are almost identical. And I stand by my original premise that the peaceful protests of the Orange Revolution, held on a mass scale throughout America could succeed in overturning the fraudulent results here as well, should Hillary Clinton and the DNC, in collusion with the government and MSM try and steal this election through mass voter fraud.
All their violence did was to inspire more average citizens throughout Ukraine to join and actively participate in the Orange Revolution: It grew exponentially to the point where it was impossible for the government to stop via violence.
As for all of the Ukrainian governments attempts to make the protests "illegal" and the protesters subject to arrest and fines; this too backfired. All it did was further embolden the protesters to hold more, larger, organized protests and swell their ranks with hundreds of thousands more protesters.
The Orange Revolution became an unstoppable, immovable, juggernaut movement, consisting of regular, everyday citizens that could not be intimidated, crushed or defeated.
Then why didn’t that work here for the pro-life movement?
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