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California Today: A New Target of Gun Control Advocates — Bullets
New York Times ^ | Nov. 1, 2016 | Mike McPhate

Posted on 11/01/2016 5:49:25 AM PDT by baltimorepoet

California has the nation’s strictest gun laws. There is a waiting period, a written test and a number of restrictions on guns and gear. Some voters pondering Proposition 63 have asked: Haven’t we done enough?

Gavin Newsom, the lieutenant governor, says no. He’s developed the initiative that would push the state’s gun limits even further.

Under Proposition 63, ammunition purchasers would be treated similar to gun purchasers. Before a Californian could buy even a single bullet of any kind, he or she would need to pay a fee of up to $50 and wait up to 30 days to obtain a four-year permit. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; bullets; california; guncontrol
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1 posted on 11/01/2016 5:49:25 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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Las Vegas gun store business booms!


2 posted on 11/01/2016 5:51:36 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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This is what I keep telling everyone. Hillary cannot just have the military go to every home and confiscate their firearms. What she’ll do is make it impossible to purchase ammo. It starts in CA now.....


3 posted on 11/01/2016 5:52:47 AM PDT by sevinufnine (A moderately bad man knows he is not very good. A thoroughly bad man thinks he's alright. C.S. Lewis)
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4 posted on 11/01/2016 5:54:37 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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So $50 to buy one bullet or 5,000?

Ami the only one seeing this backfiring?


5 posted on 11/01/2016 5:57:09 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: baltimorepoet

Corupticut aka Connecticut put this in action in a closed door stealth late night vote as a Token gesture for the kids slaughter at a New Town elementary by a mental case that stole his mothers guns after shooting her in the head.

Just more touchy feely BS.


6 posted on 11/01/2016 5:57:57 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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Creating a new black market opportunity for an easily transported item. Yeah, that’ll work fine. These politicians need to get their heads out of their butts and look at the real world.


7 posted on 11/01/2016 5:59:55 AM PDT by Boomer One ( ToUsesn)
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To: sevinufnine

It is much easier for the government to prevent you from getting a gun that you do not already have, than it is for them to take away a gun that you do have.

Buy now. Buy for your children. Buy for your grandchildren. Buy for your great grand children.


8 posted on 11/01/2016 6:04:39 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: Boomer One

You are right. Here in Indiana buying ammo is no more difficult than buying toothpaste. No ID checks, no nothing. You could stock up at Walmart and just drive it back to your home state.


9 posted on 11/01/2016 6:04:47 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: sevinufnine

Well my last (ban-endangered) purchase soon will be another Kel-Tec Sub2000, this one will be magazine-compatible with my Glock 17.

(others are compatible with Beretta 92FS and Glock 22). All other purchases, are not in any near-future danger of a gun-ban... (e.g. 22 LR, shotguns, handguns)

After that, I’m going to stockpile magazines and ammo. I already got a bunch of AR15, AK47 and Glock 22 mags. (I keep track of stuff on a spreadsheet).

A wise person would start snapping up magazines and ammo now.

If things get so bad, as for a long-term ban on stuff to be an issue, I would expect such a liberal regime to drive this country into a collapse, such as what Multicultural Europe is moving towards.

I disagree with those who say if the government has banned ammo or goes door-to-door attempting confiscation that it is too late, if one has hidden all of one’s stuff where it can’t be found. (even by ground-penetrating sonar and metal detectors).

The reason I disagree is that progressivism has a built-in self-destruct mechanism. When a civilization disintegrates, and breaks down into WROL, having a huge cache of firepower that eluded government confiscation would come in quite handy.

In other words, the worst happenings do not result in the end game being a totalitarian “progressive” nanny-state dictatorship.

The end game will be such a nanny-state collapsing under its own weight (or a black-swan event, such as a rogue state using an EMP attack), and then all the gib-me-dats will be looting and thugging. At such a time, it would be wise to have a hidden caches that one could un-earth and deal with any Negan-want-to-be’s.


10 posted on 11/01/2016 6:07:56 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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Looks like a business opportunity. Set up a delivery point for mail order ammo in: Yuma, Quartzite, Pahrump, Reno, or Medford.

I have grown to hate those a$$holes in California.


11 posted on 11/01/2016 6:08:11 AM PDT by lrdg
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Handloaders, set up your presses.


12 posted on 11/01/2016 6:12:33 AM PDT by Joe Bfstplk (A Deplorable in Texas)
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“I’ll be back later, honey, I’m just going to run over to Arizona and buy a $hitload of a More!”


13 posted on 11/01/2016 6:15:05 AM PDT by FrankR (You're only enslaved to the extent of the charity that you receive!)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

Good point. That’s one thing I have not done yet, but when the ink on my divorce is dry this Spring, I may get reloading equipment and learn how.

It will have to wait until my armory/safe-room is finished, though.


14 posted on 11/01/2016 6:17:55 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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The Keltec Sub 2000 is a hoot. Fun gun!

Handloaders learned over that last few years that powder and primers are a choke point. Pistol powders (shotgun) in AZ are still hard to find. Rifle powders are available. If you learn to cast and are able to stockpile lead you have more options. One must still invest in dies for each caliber and and if casting, molds.

If you have educated yourself, keep your eyes open for estate sales. Don’t rip off widows but reloading equipment in often a fraction of what it is in the store. I use molds that belonged to my grandfather that are from the late nineteenth century.

Finally, a story that amuses me. You can buy lead on eBay. The Post Office has a limit of something like 60 lbs for a flat rate box. So guys are selling 50 lbs of lead and sticking it in a medium flat rate box to ship. I laugh every time I think about the average postal worker grabbing those boxes. One of the best shipping values available.


15 posted on 11/01/2016 6:37:52 AM PDT by lrdg
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The fallback position is to roll your own.


16 posted on 11/01/2016 6:43:42 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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A wise person would start snapping up magazines and ammo now.

Yeah, but they won't. We will be seeing threads about shortages, hoarding, price gouging, people wishing they did this and that... same old crap.

17 posted on 11/01/2016 6:48:55 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

Most of did that decades ago.


18 posted on 11/01/2016 6:49:52 AM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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This same law has already been signed into law by Gov. Brown.

This Initiative would make it part of the state Constitution, subject to change only by another initiative.


19 posted on 11/01/2016 6:58:48 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( LOTS of /s)
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Hopefully when Trump becomes President he will sue California into oblivion and get us Californians our gun rights back.


20 posted on 11/01/2016 7:02:15 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (The last suit you wear has no pockets!)
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