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To: Will88
Our workers cannot compete with $3.00 an hour Mexican wages,” said United Steel Workers Local 1999 President Chuck Jones.
The Steel Workers Union said average wages in Indianapolis are $24 an hour. Jones says the Union is planning to meet with the company in the coming weeks to negotiate. The company still maintains that the decision is tentative.

Yes, regulations and some taxes are minor reasons US corporations move factories to cheap labor nations. But the overwhelming reason factories are moved is to take advantage of cheap labor. Many like to pretend otherwise, but pretending only serves to muddy the issue.


Let me give a dirty little secret here - it's not the higher wages paid to American workers that is killing our manufacturing it's the union mentality low productivity and massive overhead from government regulations, mandates and taxes that is killing jobs and re investment in America's domestic manufacturing base.

NAFTA is not nearly as negative as other foreign trade because it allows for sharing of manufacturing - it's just gotten out of hand because of a desire on the part of the American political and business elites that are selling our country down the river.

Given our current circumstances, America needs a focused immigration policy to bring in talented labor to offset baby boom demographic shifts, but it is instead being used to recruit uneducated, illiterate (even in their own language) third world people to become a permanent welfare class to destroy the American middle class.

Trump is right, we need to renegotiate the detail terms of our agreements because they have been negotiated by bribed negotiators who are not negotiating in the interests of the American people, but we really need to hit the over regulation, low productivity and punitive tax laws that are killing domestic manufacturing.

Probably the biggest issue we need to deal with is the Obama Administration's demonic plan to kill job opportunity and turn working class Americans into welfare slaves by hooking unemployed Americans on welfare payments to make them dependent upon government

6 posted on 10/17/2016 10:03:29 AM PDT by rdcbn ("There is no means of avoiding a final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alt)
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To: rdcbn
Let me give a dirty little secret here - it's not the higher wages paid to American workers that is killing our manufacturing it's the union mentality low productivity and massive overhead from government regulations, mandates and taxes that is killing jobs and re investment in America's domestic manufacturing base.

BS. Some of the first manufacturing jobs to leave the US were in industries with little unionization such as textiles, apparel, furniture and other light manufacturing. The textile industry is almost gone from the US while there is significant auto parts and assembly work still done here.

I think facts would show that heavily unionized industries in the US have lost fewer jobs due to relocation to cheap labor nations than non-unionized industries.

9 posted on 10/17/2016 10:14:58 AM PDT by Will88
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>>Probably the biggest issue we need to deal with is the Obama Administration’s demonic plan to kill job opportunity and turn working class Americans into welfare slaves by hooking unemployed Americans on welfare payments to make them dependent upon government

It’s not just the Obama administration. It’s the Progressives of both parties who want an educated, but desperate, work force in a relatively stable nation.


10 posted on 10/17/2016 10:15:38 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.)
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To: rdcbn
America needs a focused immigration policy to bring in talented labor to offset baby boom demographic shifts

Why not just ban abortion and encourage the Americans to have children again by improving their economic prospects?

American families used to have 4-5 children typically in the last century and 10+ in the previous century. No immigrants were "needed", except in the aftermath of the "civil" war.

11 posted on 10/17/2016 10:17:47 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: rdcbn

“America needs a focused immigration policy to bring in talented labor to offset baby boom demographic shifts, but it is instead being used to recruit uneducated, illiterate (even in their own language) third world people to become a permanent welfare class to destroy the American middle class.”

The (legal and illegal) immigration of low-skilled workers has decimated what used to be called the “working poor” who have limited schooling and/or work experience. Technology, trade, and deregulation have also adversely affected this group, as well as many in the middle class.


14 posted on 10/17/2016 10:34:02 AM PDT by riverdawg
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Right and it isn’t $3.00 an hour. I believe these jobs like the Ford and Carrier jobs are going to Monterrey Mexico. Google it, google images for Monterrey. It is very large, very modern and very populated by Mecpxicans and many people from other countries. You couldn’t live there on $3.00 an hour. Folks need to quit thinking of Mexico as completely third world, some parts yes but a lot, not anymore. Starbucks on every 10 miles in some areas. The crap of Mexico comes here illegally. The nastiest illegals are coming from further south, south of Mexico’s border.


19 posted on 10/17/2016 3:10:18 PM PDT by snippy_about_it
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