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Navy, Marine Corps Considering Adding Vertical Launch System to San Antonio Amphibs
USNI News ^ | October 13, 2016 | Sam LaGrone

Posted on 10/14/2016 12:03:58 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

PORTSMOUTH, Va. — The Navy and the Marine Corps are studying installing a vertical launch system in its San Antonio class of amphibious warships that would allow the ships to field larger offensive missiles, service officials told USNI News this week.

The director of expeditionary warfare in the chief of naval operation’s office (OPNAV N95) told USNI News on Thursday both services were studying installing the VLS systems but that at the moment there was no program of record to back fit the capability into the hulls.

“It’s certainly an asset we’d like to have,” Marine Maj. Gen. Chris Owens told USNI News during the NDIA Expeditionary Warfare Conference in Portsmouth. “We are exploring that to see how much it would cost and see what the tradeoffs might be but certainly it would be in line with the concept of distributed lethality and advanced expeditionary operations in a sea control environment.”

The original concept for the San Antonio class included two 8-cell Mk 41 VLS in the bow of the ship. The VLS system was cut during development of first-in-class USS San Antonio (LPD-17) but USNI News understands within the last six months there’s been renewed interest in bringing the capability back to the class in both services. Currently, the only missiles aboard the LPDs are part of the ship’s defensive SeaRam close-in weapon system.

“This is all in the Navy’s lane but we’re trying to have that discussion with them. We’ve always had the discussion of getting longer-range surface fire support,” Lt. Gen. Robert Walsh, commander of Marine Corps Combat Development Command (MCCDC), told USNI News on Tuesday at the conference.

The move could provide Marines ashore more options for fire support from the sea, a capability the Marine Corps has long wanted from the Navy since the final retirement of the four Iowa-class battleships in the 1990s. The Zumwalt-class of guided missile destroyers (DDG-1000) was intended to fill in the naval surface fire support gap with its 155 mm Advanced Gun System firing the Long Range Land Attack Projectile (LRLAP) but the class was cut to three ships. Other efforts to field long-range guided rounds to be fired from the services 5-inch guns on its destroyers and cruisers capable of providing surface fire support either stalled or were canceled.

There is promise in using the hyper velocity projectiles (HVP) developed for the service’s electromagnetic railgun from 5-inch guns as a long range guided round suitable for several roles – including naval surface fire support – but testing to integrate the rounds aboard warships could take more than a decade, USNI News understands.

At a minimum, 16 cells on an LPD could give a three-ship Amphibious Ready Group space to add Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles that could support Marines ashore with little modification to the amphib’s combat system.

Additional types of missiles that could fit in the Mk 41s – like the anti-air Standard Missiles and the Evolved SeaSparrow Missile (ESSM) – would likely require more work and may need more sensors and more money to work on the LPDs.

However, according to Walsh, both services are examining a host of possibilities.

“It may be a Tomahawk capability — whatever capability you could put into those tubes we’re looking at,” he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: usmc; usn; vls

2003 Artist’s concept of the San Antonio Class amphibious transport dock ships firing a missile from a vertical launch system in the ship’s bow. US Navy Image

1 posted on 10/14/2016 12:03:58 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Why do we announce this? I can’t think of a single reason if it isn’t just a bluff. “Loose lips sink ships” has been given a new definition here.


2 posted on 10/14/2016 12:07:14 PM PDT by WENDLE (COMEY IS A pathetic WEASEL)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Wow.

Those ships have an extraordinary amount of capabilities...


3 posted on 10/14/2016 12:10:46 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
If they can find the money do it, not a bad idea. The Russians decided decades ago that missiles were the way to go with naval warfare and armed everything with them.

As airspace control becomes less of a sure thing with shorter range and less capable aircraft, missiles will be an excellent backup.

4 posted on 10/14/2016 12:15:36 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Vendome

I did hear that they designed them with a lot of growth potential, being able to swap things in and out in a modular fashion.


5 posted on 10/14/2016 12:33:20 PM PDT by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: rlmorel

The newest generation of VLS modules can accomodate a single large missile (SM-2 or SM-3) or a four-pack of smaller missiles.


6 posted on 10/14/2016 12:42:07 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Scrambling to fill in the gaps left by the failure of the LCS “frigate” program.


7 posted on 10/14/2016 12:56:29 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If the purpose is firepower support to landing Marines, it just doesn’t seem like there is much volume of fire here.
Sure, they can fill these with Tomahawks as stated - thats 16 shots each with a 1000-pound class warhead.
Thats maybe like four F-18 sorties worth of fire (using JDAM), and far more expensive.


8 posted on 10/14/2016 1:22:16 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: WENDLE
Why do we announce this? I can’t think of a single reason if it isn’t just a bluff.

The enemy will find out anyway whether it's announced or not. That said, announcing it makes him expend resources on countermeasures if it's nothing more than thinking about the threat. Just something else to keep him up at night.

9 posted on 10/14/2016 1:24:06 PM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Australia's LHD’s have space and weight reserved for an 8 cell vls. No immediate plans to fit it but it is certainly doable. The LHD’s have the same combat system as the ANZAC class frigates and could be easily fitted with a CEA-FAR, CEA-MOUNT radar. Added bonus would be the radar height would be over twice an ANZAC giving it a longer radar horizon.
10 posted on 10/14/2016 2:14:58 PM PDT by Dundee (They gave up all their tomorrows for our today's.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I was under the impression that the AN/SPS-48E 3-D radar system already had the capability to guide RAM and ESSM missiles.

Looking at the ship, there is also space for 2 more RAM launches or CIWS mounts.
11 posted on 10/14/2016 2:49:11 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

About 14 years too late to confront Putin, Red China, Iran, or even ISI.


12 posted on 10/14/2016 3:04:13 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: WENDLE

“Why do we announce this?”

Defense contractor stock manipulation.


13 posted on 10/14/2016 3:11:46 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Bill and Hillary for ADX Supermax!)
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