[Chad_the_Impaler]

this election will not be like 2008 or 2012 where there was excitement on the left for obama.

There was excitement across the board from the left in 2008, but not so much in 2012. Obama had small crowds in the last weeks before the election in 2012.

[TMA62]

There were no polls of dems planning on staying away from voting in 2012. Unlike this year.

Romney had the same issue with crowd size at his rallies. They only got really big until the last 2 weeks of the election.

[HamiltonJay]

Obama’s enthusiasm was way down from 08, but still there.. in PA he dropped about 10% of his vote from just shy of 3.3 to just shy of 3.0... R’s got 2.65 and 2.68 in both elections... and there was no enthusiasm for either R to speak of... so a generic election R’s can put 2.7 in the box... Hillary won’t get anything near Obama’s 12 numbers, and Trumps enthusiasm is greater than any R I have seen in PA in all the years I’ve lived here...

I really think Hillary will have trouble putting 2.5/6 M votes in the box in PA, and I expect Trump to be 3M or more.