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1 posted on 08/28/2016 6:08:17 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister
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I don’t see his actions on the level of a MOH.

He was fighting for survival and killed two bad guys.

Maybe a silver star.

Flame away.


2 posted on 08/28/2016 6:13:04 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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The SEAL commander left the guy behind, thinking he was dead. Supposedly too far away to confirm he was dead so he simply assumed he must be and ordered the retreat. Turns out that was a bad call because footage from a drone shows that he revived and fought hand to hand combat with Al Queda fighters on his own, before being overwhelmed and killed. Wow.

I'm sure this happened a lot and probably still does but rarely did you ever get postumous battlefield video showing such results of a decision made in the heat of the battle. Wonder how that SEAL commander is dealing with knowing the results of his decision? This heroes death isn't his fault, that's on Al Queda, but it must tear him up regardless.

3 posted on 08/28/2016 6:17:42 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (ui)
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I was Air Force, and few of their enlisted troops are ever in a position to win a Medal of Honor or any other combat decoration. I'm sure the Air Force is eager to get this for one of their own, even though the circumstances might not rise to the level ordinarily associated with that decoration. Also, maybe the Air Force is sticking it in the eye of a sister service that left one of AF's guys behind.

None of this noise detracts from the bravery of this man. RIP.

6 posted on 08/28/2016 6:26:20 PM PDT by jumpingcholla34
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So the brave SEALs looked out for each other, but cut and ran leaving the Air Force guy behind?


7 posted on 08/28/2016 6:35:13 PM PDT by PAR35
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Consolation prize for a really bad call. Stuff happens, and war is hell. RIP.


8 posted on 08/28/2016 6:35:55 PM PDT by Romulus
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Why guess or speculate on something important?

The President of the United States of America, authorized by Title 10, Section 8742, U.S.C., awards the Air Force Cross to TSgt John Chapman for extraordinary heroism in military operation against an armed enemy of the United States as a 24th Special Tactics Squadron, Combat Controller in the vicinity of Gardez, in the eastern highlands of Afghanistan, on 4 March 2002. On this date, during his helicopter insertion for a reconnaissance and time sensitive targeting close air support mission, Sergeant Chapman’s aircraft came under heavy machine gun fire and received a direct hit from a rocket propelled grenade which caused a United States Navy sea-air-land team member to fall from the aircraft. Though heavily damaged, the aircraft egressed the area and made an emergency landing seven kilometers away. Once on the ground Sergeant Chapman established communication with an AC-130 gunship to insure the area was secure while providing close air support coverage for the entire team. He then directed the gunship to begin the search for the missing team member. He requested, coordinated, and controlled the helicopter that extracted the stranded team and aircrew members. These actions limited the exposure of the aircrew and team to hostile fire. Without regard for his own life Sergeant Chapman volunteered to rescue his missing team member from an enemy strong hold. Shortly after insertion, the team made contact with the enemy. Sergeant Chapman engaged and killed two enemy personnel. He continued to advance reaching the enemy position then engaged a second enemy position, a dug-in machine gun nest. At this time the rescue team came under effective enemy fire from three directions. From close range he exchanged fire with the enemy from minimum personal cover until he succumbed to multiple wounds. His engagement and destruction of the first enemy position and advancement on the second position enabled his team to move to cover and break enemy contact. In his own words, his Navy sea-air-land team leader credits Sergeant Chapman unequivocally with saving the lives of the entire rescue team. Through his extraordinary heroism, superb airmanship, aggressiveness in the face of the enemy, and the dedication to the service of his country, Sergeant Chapman reflects the highest credit upon himself and the United States Air Force.

He was *not* a PJ -
Sergeant Chapman was a Special Tactics Combat Controller, 24th Special Tactics Squadron, Operational Team-Red, Pope Air Force Base, North Carolina.


9 posted on 08/28/2016 6:37:43 PM PDT by ASOC
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Men like this are why we stand up for our flag

Just sayin’, Colon


10 posted on 08/28/2016 6:44:10 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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“Heroics” is a derogatory term.

The correct term in this case is “heroism.”


11 posted on 08/28/2016 6:52:13 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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President Clinton (a Vietnam era draft dodger) & Obama (obscure background ... military/otherwise) have handed out more MOH’s than all of their predecessors combined. In most instances it is an upgrade ... the criteria, you need to be a minority ... in which case you were obviously discriminated against.
12 posted on 08/28/2016 6:52:57 PM PDT by BluH2o
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Roberts Ridge sucked. Part of it was the enemy, but also real world jsoc battle. Coordinating different units is always complex and a learning process. There will always be finger pointing after such operations.
22 posted on 08/28/2016 8:02:39 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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bump


25 posted on 08/28/2016 8:16:25 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("They only smear who they fear." --Diamond and Silk)
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