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Does Zika Warrant Bringing Back DDT?
The New American ^ | 06 August 2016 | John F. McManus

Posted on 08/06/2016 4:29:09 AM PDT by VitacoreVision

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To: Hulka

Read the science. Unlike animals, the effects of DDT on human development cannot ethically be tested, for reasons that I trust will be obvious with a little thought.


101 posted on 08/07/2016 10:29:28 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Hulka

It seems as if no matter how disdainful, sad, and disgusting the Left seems to us, there always seems to be another just on its heels that seems even worse.


102 posted on 08/07/2016 10:30:58 AM PDT by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: Louis Foxwell

Have you read the scientific literature on DDT? Your objections are pro forma and lack specifics.


103 posted on 08/07/2016 10:36:35 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Makes sense, so there is no way to test anything because of risks, that applies to all thigs not just DDT. Wait? We do testing. . .


104 posted on 08/07/2016 1:08:39 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Rockingham

Lack specifics?

Appears your position does too.


105 posted on 08/07/2016 1:10:24 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Herman Ball
When I was a child my father had a bag of DDT in the garage, he took it out periodically and sprinkled it around the outside edge of the house. That was the 40’s he lived to a ripe old age.
106 posted on 08/07/2016 1:15:00 PM PDT by Ditter (God Bless Texas!)
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To: Hulka

I trust that we can agree that giving doses of DDT and DDE to pregnant women would violate medical ethics, so epidemiological and observational studies must be relied on. By definition, such studies are not experiments.


107 posted on 08/07/2016 2:40:18 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Hulka

I refer again to PubMed and the more than 12,000 medical articles on DDT and DDE. As discussed in that venue, opinions differ as to the relative safety and merits of DDT, but negative effects on human health are generally recognized — and there is no tub thumping about how wonderful the world would be with lots of DDT being used.


108 posted on 08/07/2016 3:16:09 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Ditter

The EPA and Lying Democrats know whats best regardless of any proof.


109 posted on 08/07/2016 3:44:42 PM PDT by Herman Ball
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To: Rockingham

I have not read every article published against the use of DDT. I have read enough, however, to make it clear that the “science” involved is proforma and nonspecific.


110 posted on 08/08/2016 5:19:39 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Stop the Left and save the world.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Just which scientific articles did you find so persuasive on the subject?


111 posted on 08/08/2016 5:48:28 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

none


112 posted on 08/08/2016 6:35:42 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Stop the Left and save the world.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

In full sincerity, I recommend that you use PubMed to take a look at the scientific literature on DDT. Even if you do not change your views, you will be a better advocate for them and a better sparring partner on the subject and will elevate the discussion.


113 posted on 08/08/2016 1:48:08 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Dragging my time through the muck and mire of study after study of the negative effects of DDT/DDE always ends with equivocation and no findings of absolute toxicity.
You have consistently referred to the PubMed body of research but have not shown a single incidence of absolute correlation between the use of DDT and clear cut sickness or disease in humans.
We are all well aware of the substantial benefits of DDT in eradicating disease laden insect vectors. The sheer volume of absolute proof that lives are saved by its use is of no consequence to you. I am at a loss to understand your thinking.


114 posted on 08/08/2016 2:55:04 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Stop the Left and save the world.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Do not be intimidated by the extent of the medical literature on DDT referenced in PubMed. Spend a couple of hours and find several studies that you agree with and regard as sound that you can then cite and wield as a club or rapier against opponents like me.

Or, take a look at the exchanges in The Lancet. Opponents of DDT concede its relative lack of harm to humans on immediate application, but, as to malaria ridden Africa, they point out the expense of DDT and that its tendency to lower birth weight and increase preterm births diminishes its net potential benefits against malaria. Moreover, it is said that the evidence for adverse effects of persistent traces of DDT and its metabolites ought to be of concern and to have the benefit of additional research.

Call me an optimist, but it seems to me that we would both be due credit if our exchanges here had more references to and respect for medical and scientific evidence. It takes two to play though.

115 posted on 08/08/2016 4:05:35 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
Call me an optimist, but it seems to me that we would both be due credit if our exchanges here had more references to and respect for medical and scientific evidence. It takes two to play though.

I do not see any optimism in your thesis.

As to low birth weight and premature birth correlated to DDT I simply ask if death is a more desirable option. These two conditions are easily attributable to common medical conditions in third world countries.

You hammering away at the importance of your so-called authority is flawed. All of the research cited on DDT is designed to find fault with the drug. Why would I even give serious consideration to such biased research?

116 posted on 08/09/2016 8:22:30 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Stop the Left and save the world.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
If the scientific literature on DDT is as bad as you say it is, you ought to be able to discredit it with ease. Lawyers and courts do that sort of thing every day, with what are known as Frye hearings used to screen out bad science.

Moreover, I have read enough of the scientific literature on the health effects of DDT to know that opinions vary widely among the experts. I can even email you some scientific articles that express support for limited use of DDT.

117 posted on 08/09/2016 12:57:06 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

I do discredit it with ease, every time banning DDT comes up. There is no incontrovertible scientific evidence linking DDT with any known health hazard. No, not any. Really just that simple.


118 posted on 08/09/2016 1:54:01 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Stop the Left and save the world.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

By definition, on any fairly disputed issue, the evidence is not incontrovertible. You have specifically rejected my offer of medical research articles that support your point of view. You seem to believe any such material to be a waste of time because you regard the issue as definitively settled in favor of DDT as safe for humans in all respects. Am I correct in my understanding of your point of view?


119 posted on 08/09/2016 3:24:02 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: VitacoreVision
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120 posted on 05/21/2019 5:45:43 PM PDT by Coleus (Vivat Jesus)
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