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These aircraft work for their intended purpose and will be in the air for at least 40years.

And please don't go off on rate of climb, turning radius, speed, ceiling etc. As those parameters are quickly becoming obsolete measures of effectiveness.

One would have to have and keep visual engagement with one of these to take it down, and then you'd have to use cannon.

1 posted on 08/01/2016 5:27:12 PM PDT by Mariner
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The F-35 has hit another snag — this time because it is just too good

Bwahaa-ha-ha… I'd like to see an unbiased competition of the F-35 vs. the F-22 in Air-Superiority and the A-10 vs. the F-35 in close-air-support.

I'd bet real money that the F-22 and A-10 would blow the F-35 out of the water in their respective arenas.

2 posted on 08/01/2016 5:30:54 PM PDT by Edward.Fish
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Okay, so they’re stealthy.

It’s still foolish to strap on a gun pod and pretend they can do the work of an A-10.


4 posted on 08/01/2016 5:34:51 PM PDT by lurk (T)
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The problem here is that there has been a very long peace, in which potential opponents have had decades to develop systems and countersystems without combat experience against each other, at a high enough technology level.
Its become impossible to know where the military balance lies, as this may turn on an unanticipated factor, some overwhelming advantage of one side, surprising both.
Testing against ones own counter-systems systems is of limited value, as one is working within the same information bubble.
The next big war among great powers will be full of surprises.


5 posted on 08/01/2016 5:38:33 PM PDT by buwaya
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TTIUWP


6 posted on 08/01/2016 5:39:06 PM PDT by fhayek
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Is this because the F35s are really good or because the SAMs are really bad?


9 posted on 08/01/2016 5:40:41 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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New Israeli F-35 Takes Maiden Flight
http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/73052/new-israeli-f-35-takes-maiden-flight/#PfPeKGmiHM7AZulp.97


11 posted on 08/01/2016 5:45:45 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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According to this article, the F-35 engines run hot which forces the weapons bay to be opened every 10 minutes which causes the plane to light up radar screens like a christmas tree.

href="http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Column-one-Time-to-walk-away-from-US-aid-462677

13 posted on 08/01/2016 5:55:12 PM PDT by fso301
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I’ll wait for Obama to leave before I believe anything


17 posted on 08/01/2016 6:13:54 PM PDT by butlerweave
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So the plane is too good,,, or perhaps the radars used in the exercise were not so good...

Put it up against the latest Russian equipment in that exercise, like the S-400 SAM, and then lets see how things shake out.


21 posted on 08/01/2016 6:37:48 PM PDT by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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“These aircraft work for their intended purpose and will be in the air for at least 40years.”

And that is the problem. CPU processing power expands at an exponential rate. A modern SAM radar already “sees” the 35, it just cannot sort it out processing-wise yet. In fact, the newest radars are so good that they basically see the “hole” in the sky where the stealth plane is.
Inside 5-8 years the radars will easily target the 35. Then you have a plane that has a dog rate of climb, turning radius, poor speed, crappy acceleration, etc.
You are stuck with this plane for 40 years.

Stealth is a battle of hardware vs software. The DOD has decided hardware replacement will trump speed of software.
Its an idiots position.

The 35 is a boondoggle, a failure, and will always suck except when used very carefully as a low capacity attack aircraft.


26 posted on 08/01/2016 7:00:50 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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"...Because it's just too good"

Horsecrap.

28 posted on 08/01/2016 7:09:44 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (It appears that we no longer wish to keep our Republic, Mr. Franklin...)
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“These aircraft work for their intended purpose and will be in the air for at least 40years.”

Hasn’t it been in DEVELOPMENT for 40 years already? Will it EVER be ready for use or only after it’s overmatched by newly developed enemy a/c?


31 posted on 08/01/2016 7:20:35 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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...and we have to let our enemies know this.

Truly, Bismarck was right: “God protects fools, drunks and the United States.”


42 posted on 08/01/2016 8:59:06 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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One would have to have and keep visual engagement with one of these to take it down,

I don't think there has ever been a conflict where our fighter pilots have been given total freedom to acquire and shoot BVR. If you know of one, please correct me, but show your source.

If the USAF is limited to shooting within visual range, an awful lot of the F-35's advantage just goes away.

46 posted on 08/02/2016 5:43:46 AM PDT by Eric Pode of Croydon
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It’s an attack bird and I think it’ll be fine in it’s defined role.


47 posted on 08/02/2016 7:56:51 AM PDT by Iron head mike (Dirty deeds done dirt cheap)
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I call BS!


51 posted on 08/02/2016 12:56:45 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.)
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“One would have to have and keep visual engagement with one of these to take it down, and then you’d have to use cannon. “

Exactly what happened in Vietnam.

Those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it...arrogance is not a virtue.


53 posted on 08/02/2016 1:15:34 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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