Posted on 07/30/2016 3:25:23 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
There have long been reports that the ongoing delays with the commissioning of the Admiral Gorshkov frigate have to do with defects in its air defense systems.
These were thought to be primarily related to problems with integration of the Poliment Redut air defense missile system. The Poliment system was designed to be Russia’s answer to AEGIS, with four phased array antennas that are able to track 16 targets at the same time. The Redut system consists of four or eight vertical launch systems that launch three types of missiles. The 9M100 is the short-range missile, with a range of up to 15km. The 9M96M is the medium-range missile, with a range of 40-50km. Finally, the 9M96 long-range missile is supposed to have a range of up to 150km. It now appears that the Redut’s problems are much more serious than just integration. Arecent report notes that the Ministry of Defense has stopped trials of the system because of continuing problems with the 9M96 long-range missile. Specifically, the missiles appear to fail after three seconds of flight. Some reports indicate that the Redut system works well hitting targets up to 40km away, but fails in the long range.
The implication is that the short and medium range missiles work well, but the long range missile does not. Nevertheless, this may be an improvement over previous results, as trials of the Redut system on the Steregushchiy class corvettes in 2014 showed that they were only able to hit targets at distances of up to 15km because the medium-range Furke-2 radar system was not functioning properly.
Instead of further trials, the problems will now be sorted out by an inter-agency commission, a sure sign that the problems are serious and are not expected to be fixed any time soon. The problems stem from issues at the design bureau, which is reportedly not up to the task of designing a missile with the requirements provided by the Defense Ministry. The Fakel machine design bureau, which is developing the missiles is supposedly in relatively poor condition, using technologies and equipment left over from the Soviet period.
Redut systems are supposed to be installed on both the Admiral Gorshkov frigates and the Steregushchiy class corvettes. The corvettes that have been commissioned so far with partial Redut systems that are not able to strike long-distance targets. It looks like the Russian military is now facing a choice regarding how long it is willing to wait to commission the already long-delayed first ship of the Admiral Gorshkov frigate class. So far, the Defense Ministry has not been willing to commission the frigate without a fully functional air defense system, though this may change as the delays grow longer.
That’s a pretty target if there is no capable air defense system on board.
They haven’t found backdoor ‘suicide’ software we install in 9M96 missile. Ha, ha!
But Clinton’s State dept will write up new export requirements demanding that Raytheon engineers go solve that little problem - Just like they did for China’s nuclear-tipped missile staging issues.
Sounds like it is only 1 of the three missiles that are having problems.
Don’t laugh too hard, at least Russia is still DEVELOPING WEAPONS - rather than thinking that they can sit on their lead for the next 100 years, like one country that I know of.
I’m an old US Army Air Defender. Not having ADA capabilities means that beautiful ship is good for target practice not much else. Its a beautiful target that would look good going to the deep blue bottom of the ocean. maybe its time for Putin to fire some more Admirals and Generals?
the real problem is to Russian arms sales.
if this system is no good, what about the other stuff Putin is trying to peddle?
Russian saber rattling is in fact just a sales pitch...... look at me
Lol. Let’s blame the DNC for the hack. They love flailing about and blaming everybody else for their own mess. Turn the tables, get Vlad to release the emails!
Our Vertical Launching System was developed in the late 70’/early 80’s, and launches all types of missiles: air defense (short and long range), land attack, anti-ship, anti-submarine, and anti-missile. And it was certified for nuclear
Tomahawks at the time. Just load the missile and the launcher adapts for each missile as required. So they still have a long way to go.
Yea, I don’t know the details, but do read a heck of a lot more about Chinese, Russian, and even North Korean military developments than I read about our own. Either we keep ours under wraps (which I doubt) or they are getting MUCH MORE done.
Stole my post. And as another poster said, Russia has free gun schools where they teach children how to load, fire, and maintain assault rifles while America has gun-free schools where children are taught guns are evil and they graduate with 6th grade reading/writing/math skills when they aren’t being taught to value bugs and trees over people.
Yea, I remember about a decade ago reading an article where it said that Putin was cutting the headcount in the Russian military by about half and spending all of that money on new weapon development.
I did the headcount thing too...except our freed-up money went to Solyndra and related drain holes.
Remove the “profit” incentive aka “capitalism” and state bureaucrats just can’t get the uber complex stuff done!
To name just one example, with dozens of Nazi divisions at his front door, Stalin had to call “the capitalists” to save his ass!
This is a pretty ship but in an all out war it will quickly get blown into a billion little pieces. Ask the Iranians how they faired in their 72 hour war with the US?
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