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Posted on 07/13/2016 2:06:11 PM PDT by Biggirl
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has mandated that the skies over the presidential nominating conventions will be a no-fly zone. The FAA has warned pilots to give the Republican National Convention in Cleveland and the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia a 34.5-mile radius.
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
The convention no fly zone in Philly will need lots of sticky traps.
Wow is that excessive? CLE is less than 15 miles from downtown. And this restriction keeps the press choppers out of there too by a long, long, way. Even the best news cameras won’t be able to catch an overhead view of the happenings.
This is all just so incredibly weird...plus the delays for things like life flight around and within the zone. Cleveland Clinic, University Hosp., Metro Hospital all in several locations providing big hospital type services...too weird.
I don’t suppose the brain trust at the FAA will be compensating the dozens of businesses are people who make their living in general aviation for all of the lost revenue or income from their “no fly zone”, will they? This isn’t just your standard 3 mile radius...this is 34.5 miles around.
Just another government stripping us of income with the swipe of a pen.
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These no fly zones have exceptions to commercial flights as well as emergency flights (such as life flights).
Same thing for Philly the airport is not too far from 12th and Vine sts
I did hear the airport workers were going on strike in Philly during the DNC
BTW, I am certain that the "Appropriate News Outlet Helicopters" will have unlimited access within theses TSAs!
NOTAMs like this are not a problem for police, ambulance, first responder or emergency flight flights. Standard stuff. No big deal.
No delays if a life flight is necessary or called for.
GA flights would have to file for an exemption. . designed to control the number of flights into and out of the area. With media interest in the convention the threat to flight safety would be extraordinary. ATC can’t handle dozens, if not hundreds of flights, in the area.
Post 9.
“BTW, I am certain that the “Appropriate News Outlet Helicopters” will have unlimited access within theses TSAs!”
Not so. See Post 9.
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Although the feds do have the constitutional authority to regulate federal elections (1.4.1), it remains that the feds have no clear constitutional authority to use that power to establish no-fly zones imo, corrections, insights welcome.
In fact, note that political party nominating conventions have little to do with the procedure for nominating a president that the Founding States enumerated in the Constitution.
So although the FAA mandate is a reasonable precaution, I remind patriots that both James Madison and Thomas Jefferson had warned about the federal government taking advantage of questionable situations to unconstitutionally expand its powers.
”I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” —James Madison, Speech at the Virginia Convention to ratify the Federal Constitution (1788-06-06)
”To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition.” —Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson's Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank : 1791
”The system of the General Government is to seize all doubtful ground. We must join in the scramble, or get nothing. Where first occupancy is to give right, he who lies still loses all.” —Thomas Jefferson to James Monroe, 1797.
Not going to help business at Burke Lakefront. Lorain may be far enough away. Willoughby isn’t.
Wait a second. Isn’t that going to extend into Canadian airspace? Lake Erie is less than 70 miles wide. It’s closer to 50 miles from Cleveland to the Canadian shore (one web site says 54 miles). So it looks like about a 7 mile violation of Canadian sovereignty.
No.
US airspace restrictions affect US airspace, stop at the border. However, we can have shared restrictions, meaning the FAA coordinates with the CAA and they may have agreed to the restrictions we asked for.
Airspace comes under the interstate commerce clause.
Therefore, the FAA has authority to regulate operations within the national airspace.
I’ve flown into Philadelphia many times. The Wells Fargo Center (where the convention will be held) is only a few miles from the airport (both are situated along I-95), and directly in the flight path for planes coming into Philly International. I guess the approach will have to be rerouted over south Jersey.
34.5 miles. What’s with the.5 mile fraction?
I know but won’t put it here.
I respectfully disagree. After all, airspace hadn’t been “invented” at the time that the Constitution was drafted. So your point would be an interpolation of the Commerce Clause (1.8.3) imo, which state sovereignty-respecting justices had discouraged.
“3. The Constitution was written to be understood by the voters; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary as distinguished from technical meaning; where the intention is clear, there is no room for construction and no excuse for interpolation or addition.” —United States v. Sprague, 1931.
In fact, note that President James Madison had vetoed a bill for Congress to build roads and canals to support commerce. Madison had explained in the constitutionally required veto explanation that building roads and canals weren’t among Congress’s express constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers.
Veto of federal public works bill, 1817
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