Dear Lord ... if you can’t get on a plane, no, you should not be able to buy weapons. I don’t see this as a ‘liberal’ position.
If you are erroneously on a ‘no fly’ list .. do whatever it takes to get it corrected and your name removed.
Flying is not a constitutional right. Owning guns is. So, just because gubmint is preventing you from flying does not mean your constitutional right can be violated without due process.
That’s the problem with the whole thing, there isn’t a way to get off these lists even if you get on one erroneously.
“If you are erroneously on a ‘no fly’ list .. do whatever it takes to get it corrected and your name removed.”
Therein lies the problem. The “lists” are so “secret” that you can’t find out if you’re on one until you actually have your Constitutional RIGHTS abridged! But Trump is right to try and start the process whereby those RIGHTS are not compromised.
I never applied for the express lane, so was dumbfounded as to why I was on the "nice" list, but walked through and enjoyed it.
Next flight, I had to go through the whole rigamarole. I told them last time I had qualified for the express lane, what had changed. Nobody could give me an answer other than to inform me that I was no longer on the list, for equally unknown reasons.
Other than being a little taller, having more hair and a slightly darker complexion, I am about as average looking as can be for a 60 year old guy.
Exactly what is the established proceedure to get your name off of the “no fly” list? How does one find out how their name was put it? Is your name on it? Who is this list created by and what is tbe criteria for being put on the list? Is there a court order in place that can be challenged?
Unless you are well connected you can't. There is no defined process on how to do it. And certainly your legal costs to correct any errors will be on you and not reimburseable.
As an example the NICS background check system for firearms has a process to appeal a denial of a firearms pruchase. It is a very bad and poorly defined process if one needs to correct an error causing the denial.
Few people know how or can afford to have NICS error corrected. There are no specific timetables or penalties for the DOJ to respond and it will take months just to get the process started.
I know of only a few cases where correcting an error was successful. In one case it took over a year and a half and $2000 in legal fees to have the error corrected.
The no fly list is much, much worse than the NICS. Is that what you want?
And likely according to you, it’s Ok to invade your privacy if you have nothing to hide.
Slowly, the Bill of Rights becomes a dead set of unreasonable notions, to be mangled with at the whim of those seeking to rip it up because it stands in the way.
Besides not be able to fly what else are not able to do? It makes no sense! You can’t fly from NY to CA but you sure as hell can drive there can’t you?!?
“do whatever it takes to get it corrected and your name removed.”
And what exactly does it take? NO ONE KNOWS!
Guilty until proven innocent?