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This was the part that was missing from most of the initial reports that were posted.

But Turner said the woman had agreed to accompany him to his dorm room, a mere 10 minutes or so after the two began dancing together and kissing at the fraternity party. As they walked outside holding hands, he said, she slipped and they fell, then started kissing on the ground near an outdoor trash bin. He testified that she said "yes" when he asked her if he could touch her genitals and that he did for a minute. He said he asked her if she liked it and that she replied "uh huh." He told the jury he then began to feel sick from the seven beers and two sips of whiskey he'd drunk, so he stumbled away. Suddenly, one of the bicyclists came at him for no reason, he said, and he decided to run in fear.

So this young man didn't come upon a passed out women laying by a dumpster. They both left the party together and walked outside together, plastered. He thinks she is consenting to have sex. She claims she doesn't remember anything. Perhaps she was still conscience when they started to have sex and then she passed out and he was too drunk to notice or care.

It's not all black and white to me.

I agree that what happened might not be certain, and perhaps what he says is closer to what happened than what’s been determined.

A jury did find him guilty on several charges. I will take it, at this time, that they looked at all the evidence and reached the proper conclusions and verdicts.

The outrage coming now has been about sentence.

That said, given today’s climate which has been created by the left, that they will essentially impose what they consider to be right, vigilante style, and twist and ignore whatever facts need be in the process, then I do want to review the whole case as much as possible. Especially as this did happen at Stanford in California.

One thing the left is downplaying is, again, her level of intoxication. As she was reportedly more than three times the legal limit for driving, that would put her at at least 0.25. That means that she was severely impaired, and possibly dangerously so in a physical manner. While I won’t say she wasn’t victimized by this man, as I don’t know that, she also victimized herself.

And as I also said, she was no 14 year-old, or even a freshman arriving at a “party college” who is just hoping to get through college and come out with a degree. But even such a freshman would be expected to know and look at the effects of drinking, and weigh the risks. It’s not believable that this woman, no doubt from what she wrote an exceptional student, wouldn’t do what any adult ordinarily does - give some thought to possible negative consequences, and some consideration to how much they’re drinking. And she is actually post-college, yet she disregarded the fact that if you drink so excessively, you are most certainly putting yourself at risk.

So what’s being unleft unsaid here is that she engaged in binge drinking. She might be a problem drinker, which even a single episode like that suggests.

From Be Responsible About Drinking (BRAD):

0.13-0.15 BAC: Gross motor impairment and lack of physical control. Blurred vision and major loss of balance. Euphoria is reduced and dysphoria (anxiety, restlessness) is beginning to appear. Judgment and perception are severely impaired.

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0.20 BAC: Felling dazed, confused or otherwise disoriented. May need help to stand or walk. If you injure yourself you may not feel the pain. Some people experience nausea and vomiting at this level. The gag reflex is impaired and you can choke if you do vomit. Blackouts are likely at this level so you may not remember what has happened.

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0.25 BAC: All mental, physical and sensory functions are severely impaired. Increased risk of asphyxiation from choking on vomit and of seriously injuring yourself by falls or other accidents.

0.30 BAC: STUPOR. You have little comprehension of where you are. You may pass out suddenly and be difficult to awaken.

0.35 BAC: Coma is possible. This is the level of surgical anesthesia.

0.40 BAC and up: Onset of coma, and possible death due to
respiratory arrest.

http://www.brad21.org/effects_at_specific_bac.html

I have to wonder, as I said, what would have happened if this had simply happened inside - at the party or elsewhere. She didn’t go to authorities in this case, it should be noted. They got involved because of the intervention of sober individuals, which resulted in her being taken the hospital as much for her alcohol-induced state (unconsciousness - he didn’t do that to her) as for her being apparently assaulted by him.