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Hillary Clinton steers clear of water controversy in Fresno
The Sacramento Bee ^ | June 5th, 2016 | By David Siders

Posted on 06/05/2016 10:13:44 AM PDT by Mariner

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To: 5th MEB
10% above minimum flow to keep the rivers alive instead of dusty.

Yes, that 10% should be kept in the damns for use by farmers.

But you cannot kill the rivers, I don't care how many farmers lose their trees.

NOBODY in CA will support that under any circumstances.

It would make more sense to outlaw lawns. That's where 1/2 of all CA water goes.

41 posted on 06/05/2016 2:21:27 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: vette6387
The MFer is damned near full!

Here is a useful link for any Californian who can get away from cell phone and Facebook for a minute. I have checked it several times a week for the last year.

Selected California Reservoir Levels

There are also many locations on line similar to this one...

Recent Weather Details

It helps to have real data and facts to argue with.

42 posted on 06/05/2016 2:46:34 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: Mariner
It would make more sense to outlaw lawns. That's where 1/2 of all CA water goes.

I think most California citizens would agree with this if the State makes it mandatory.
Local laws and Homeowner Associations must be required to comply, no questions asked, no arguments.

43 posted on 06/05/2016 2:49:22 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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Selected California Reservoir Levels”

That’s where I got the data on Lake Shasta. The real prolem in California is that we’ve doubled in population, put thousands of additional acres into cultivation, but not built ANY additional reservoir capacity. And the loons want to tear down Hetch Hetchy Reservoir ( which supplies all of San Francisco and the SF Peninsula with water ( because it’s a valley that’s as pretty as Yosemite). We would have a lot mor water if we had the capacity to capture the early rains AND the melting snowpack. Unfortunately, we are forced by our currrent infrastructure to release some of the rain water to make room for the melting snowpack. Then there’s the even bigger issue of agribusiness’ abuse of the available water.


44 posted on 06/05/2016 2:57:51 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Safetgiver
God gave California X amount of rain every year to replenish desert plants and help the lizards have a yearly amount of water. Man moved in and upset the balance. You cannot have a drought unless all men move out.

I suppose ignorance is its own reward.

Water management for PEOPLE and agriculture has been an essential part of civilized man since the Babylonians... perhaps farther back than that.

45 posted on 06/05/2016 2:57:57 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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23” of rain? And if they got that, the hillsides fall on them. Shake it into the Pacific. No loss.


46 posted on 06/05/2016 3:01:36 PM PDT by Safetgiver (Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: vette6387
That’s where I got the data on Lake Shasta. The real problem in California is that we’ve doubled in population, put thousands of additional acres into cultivation, but not built ANY additional reservoir capacity.

It's more egregious than simply not building new dams and reservoirs.
The California Morlocks have actually demolished dozens of dams and reservoirs built over the previous 6 to 8 generations. The back to nature morons, all of whom I hope will be the first to go when TSHTF...

Shasta and San Louis are among the biggest dams, but the San Louis watershed has been somehow compromised, and I haven't figured out why.

Incidentally, before the druggies began managing water resources, the most awesome historical data source was the 1979 California Water Atlas. The good news is, that it's (finally!) available as PDFs on line. A huge but marvelous source of useful information.

Although a new version is in the works, I would not trust it farther than I trust the sociopathic liars "Moonbeam" Brown, Omugabe and Criminal Hillary...

1979 California water Atlas -PDFs

47 posted on 06/05/2016 3:26:48 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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Then there’s the even bigger issue of agribusiness’ abuse of the available water.

It's abuse only to the extent that the food produced is exported.

If the main purpose is to feed our own people at reasonable prices, I don't see a fundamental dysfunction.

48 posted on 06/05/2016 4:33:16 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: Safetgiver
23” of rain? And if they got that, the hillsides fall on them. Shake it into the Pacific. No loss

Sorry. I apologize.
I did not realize that English is not your primary language; nor that you seem to be 13 years old.

Have a nice day.

49 posted on 06/05/2016 4:37:20 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: publius911

“It’s abuse only to the extent that the food produced is exported.”

I must disagree! Water is a precious resource, and California agribusiness has used their muscle to keep from having to change much about how they use water or what they grow. We went from I5 to 99 in the mid-San Joaquin Valley last October to avoid some construction on I5. It was very interesting to see whole Almond groves being watered by drip irrigation rather than just flooding as has been the practice in the past. Face it, it isn’t the water use by citizens that’s caused the droughts, but rather the abuse of water by agribusiness coupled with this nonsense about pi$$ing water away for a junk fish that has a lifespan of only a year. We have allowed the patients to run the insane asylum in Sacramento ( and Washington) for far too long.


50 posted on 06/05/2016 4:38:04 PM PDT by vette6387
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“It would make more sense to outlaw lawns. That’s where 1/2 of all CA water goes.”

I would doubt that! Perhaps 1/2 of residental use, but by no means 1/2 of all the water the state consumes. BTW, without a cover, a swiming pool uses as much or more water than a lawn of the same size. Wanna outlaw poos too?


51 posted on 06/05/2016 4:40:27 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: mac_truck
The drought is over.

That was not the statement.
The emergency resulting from the drought is over. As far as I know, the significant reductions in consumption required statewide has not changed.

And, unless additional storage is created and maintained the see-saw crisis will continue indefinitely.

52 posted on 06/05/2016 4:53:48 PM PDT by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: publius911

Yeah, I’m sure the folks at the Weather Channel have no idea what they’re talking about...


53 posted on 06/05/2016 6:46:39 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Mariner

California doesn’t need lawns period; that’s an eastern US concept, zerascape, it’s what the state is adapted for.
You might find it interesting to know that California’s economy is based on AGRICULTURE.
All those trees, all those lettuce and onion fields.
All that PRODUCE we have spent generations buying and selling to other states and countries.


54 posted on 06/05/2016 7:47:39 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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