[Psalm 144]

Better than oblivion.

[Utmost Certainty]

That’s like saying in 1940 “if the UK were to fight Nazi Germany by itself, it’d be consigning itself to historical irrelevance.”

[b4its2late]

Ha Historians... Like Doris Goodwin? She sucks...

[fieldmarshaldj]

“Historians” = “Leftist Propagandists”

If the UK wants to survive, it’s time for them to leave the EU.

[Berlin_Freeper]

Gordon Brown sets out ‘positive’ case for the EU
His intervention in the European debate is a conscious attempt to repeat his impassioned speeches in favour of the union in the Scottish independence referendum in 2014.

Nigel Farage tells his battle bus followers to 'bully people' into voting Brexit
"Go out and persuade people, bully people. go round the parks, the clubs, your family, and get them to vote to take back our country. We want our country back!"

[Berlin_Freeper]

coup

[stocksthatgoup]

Historian? lol

[octex]

Just talking here without relevant detailed facts... Just an off-the-cuff opinion.

The USA funds about 25-30% of the UN and only manages to retain a permanent seat on the UN Security Council, with no other benefits to the USA. The USA provides most of the funding and support to NATO, with very little benefit in return. ........There are 193 countries in the UN. It’s ridiculous for the USA to be paying so much more to the UN than the other members! Make the UN move out of the USA!

Great Britain is spending tons of money to support the EU and the EU does little or nothing to support GB, but it increasingly asks for more liberal changes and money.

Brexit would permit GB to spend more in repairing their failing economy and society, as well as rebuilding their military forces. ...........Would be tough to do, since it seems the Parliament there has been taken over by extreme liberals who enjoy giving council housing to Islamic terrorists who rape their children.

[Tennessee Nana]

Good grief...

for many years England was so important and had such vast lands that “the sun never set on the British Empire”

she was literately the leader of the free world..

and no other European country could touch what she was...

and all without the help of those same European countries...and often in spite of them...

the stupidest thing England has done in modern days is to align herself so thoroughly with countries who at one time could not hold a candle to her magnificence...

Escape from them she must if England is to survive as a nation..a sovereign nation standing on her own..

and not just one of an untidy disorganized clump of servient city states joined together by intimidation and greed of their masters rather than an independent, strong and separate country in their own right, governing themselves..

[Ulysse]

Owned “historians” ??

STFU please

[faithhopecharity]

U.K. Is both irrelevant to history and headed for complete subjugation inside the EU dictatorship - not - very - well - disguised - anymore. Can Great Britain cut free it’s EU chains before they choke her completely?

[4Liberty]

more cowbell.

[Cronos]

It is not a simple black and white matter -- leaving "Europe" is not an option for the UK, but leaving the "EU" is and is a bad one.

Let me explain:

• The EU as a free-trade zone with free travel works and is very, very good with low tariffs etc
• the EU as an economic union is 50:50 working -- NOTE that I'm separating out the Euro situation. The economic union as in collective bargaining against giant US, India, China etc. is effective
• The euro is a mess, but the idea of a common currency does make some sense - it's implementation hasn't been good
• A political union is again, good and bad -- the good is that it gets European nations talking to each other instead of fighting, the bad is when they try to create a mega-state. the mega-state won't work. They need to create a highly federated federation: like Spain or Germany or India
• The UK is part of Europe -- it can't ignore its largest market and neighbour
• The UK has always been concerned with Europe -- since the 1600s it's aim has been to ensure that no one state is the most powerful
• the UK inside the EU has been a force against the centralizign force of France-Germany
• The UK outside the EU loses that ability and gets only the disadvantages

I believe the referendum is good, and the STAY vote will win and it will scare the centralizing tendency folks away

[Laser_Ray]

I hate to break it to her but with the notable exception of defending the Falkland Islands, England pretty much is already irrelevant. Any such move now is a vote to save something from what’s left.

Their empire is gone, their colonies are gone (a fair few condemned to tribal poverty and violence in the absense of their Judeo-Christian rulers) their military might is a joke, their crime rates are through the stratosphere, their citizens have very few more rights than medieval times, and their nation is practically a Muslim outpost due to PC bullshittery on immigration and a collapsing native birthrate.

[Radix]

Excuse me for my long time held view that Historians are proficient in stuff that already happened and not at all about future events.

[Nextrush]

There are a lot of folks who believe in the “New World Order” and the corporatist, statist alliance of big banks, big business and big government as embodied in the EU.

The slaves of the UK have nothing to lose but their chains.....

[plangent]

The EU is nothing but a network of the productive and the parasitic. They aren’t called PIGS for nothing: Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain.

Always looking for a bail-out of their disastrous socialist policies and lax attitudes toward work.

Leave it to the Guardian to champion income redistribution.

[KyCats]

Soon as the UK is safely out of the EU, we can start working on finally getting the USA out of the UN.

[Mad Dawgg]

Switzerland is not in the EU and economically they spank Britain. In fact they spank all of the members of the EU economically.

[Bryanw92]

“Relevance” is meaningless whe you are bankrupt and dead.