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College Students Do Not Get Their Money’s Worth
Townhall.com ^ | April 19, 2016 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 04/19/2016 4:24:17 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

My daughter goes to U.C. Berkeley, I am currently paying about $30,000 dollars a year for her UC education including tuition, books and housing.

While I am very proud of her, and consider Berkeley a great “institution”, I can tell you I am NOT getting my money’s worth. I follow her curriculim carefully, the returns in terms of jobs against value for the expense just doesn’t add up. Luckily because of her focus of study, she is not under the thumb of a lot of PC leftwing agendas, but there is a lot of discrimination against both whites as well as Asians in favor of blacks and Hispanics. I am paying huge amounts of money, which many cannot afford, that is more due to the greed of the Administrators and Professors who preach socialism and communism but live in the Berkeley hills and have lavish lifestyles and elite venues and are total hypocrites and who are largely responsible for such high tuitions. Money grabbing is their main interest thus they favor foreign students who pay double or even triple the already expensive costs to a UC education.

I have been very lucky in my investments so I can afford her education. But many cannot. Student loans are out of control and only perpetuate higher tuitions. These costs are much worse than the costs for healthcare and I hold the leftwing entirely responsible for such costs which inflate far out of purportion to actual living costs and actual inflation.

I would like to see a dramatic increase in internet based e-education and internet collaboration of faculty and students, accreditation of such schooling which should increase dramatically in available alternatives to UC type systems, the educators who teach at such schools could be global in nature, more options for technical, industrial and job specific education and not just universal education, etc.. Yes, the ability to cheat will be more obvious - but I don’t care about that as much as opening up many venues to be educated. In addition, education in this day and age of constant change is a life long process. Yot cannot just “sit on your laurels” anymore, you have to constantly educate yourself - and I don’t mean in terms of being over stressed and over tested, nor wish to see the competitive demand to be more difficult in rigor. We do not need to make things more difficult, in fact we probably need to make it less so but a constant part of life’s agenda to continually learn during one’s life. Thus, not to “cram” everything into a couple of years, but a more comprehensive approach spread out over decades.

For what it’s worth, IMO.


21 posted on 04/19/2016 5:14:41 PM PDT by ShivaFan
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To: Jedidah; Kaslin; nevergore; DIRTYSECRET
It’s not 1940 anymore, Phyllis.

She may be pretty smart when it comes to getting her rants published but imho we'd be stupid to go along with this garbage.    DOE.gov says this year the total cost average cost of a 4-year degree is just under $70K.  Census.gov says the average grad makes $60k/yr, --double the average $30k a highschool grad makes. 

College is a really good deal but it takes a little bit of math to see it.

22 posted on 04/19/2016 5:15:18 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Kaslin

HOORAY Phyllis Schlafly. Debt U. - where intellectual, philosophical and economic bankruptcy meet.


23 posted on 04/19/2016 5:15:49 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: expat_panama

Those numbers work for some degrees that are useful.

But getting one in women’s studies and manning the register at Forever 21 is not one of them.


24 posted on 04/19/2016 5:18:18 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: nascarnation

How do you post more than 300 words???


25 posted on 04/19/2016 5:20:51 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

I’m not sure?


26 posted on 04/19/2016 5:22:07 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Tax-chick

He will have a good paying job for the rest of his life. Kudos for him!


27 posted on 04/19/2016 5:24:34 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: Kaslin

They get 4 years of daycare w/sex and alcohol. What could be better?


28 posted on 04/19/2016 5:46:39 PM PDT by fruser1
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To: cornfedcowboy

I hope so. My friend who manages solid waste for the State of South Carolina says they have a dreadful time getting heavy equipment mechanics, because they can’t pass the drug test. Sounds like an opportunity for a young man who doesn’t use drugs!


29 posted on 04/19/2016 5:47:27 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("The world is full of wonder, but you see it only if you look." ~NicknamedBob)
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To: Kaslin

Solution:

Make the college or university endowment funds
co-sign the student loans.
As it now stands there is no cost control but
subtle pressure to increase the fees.
(Sounds like pricing in medical care as Gumment
got involved).


30 posted on 04/19/2016 6:21:59 PM PDT by Crossfeed
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To: Tax-chick

You do know that he can go to college for half price because of the National Merit designation? Many colleges offer major scholarships for finalists.

He should make the most of it. My sons did. Good pay upon graduation, now making six figures with the four-year degrees in high tech. Only debt any of them have is mortgage. Even paid cash for their autos. Those degrees paid off.


31 posted on 04/19/2016 6:22:34 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: nascarnation
numbers work for some degrees

It's a math thing so "average" has to mean all degrees evened out. While some are worse, some are better and the bottom line is most are pretty good.  The thing is that contrary to what this threads article suggests, Americans are not idiots and most finish college with useful degrees:


32 posted on 04/19/2016 6:40:49 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Tax-chick

There are no unemployed heavy equipment mechanics that can pass a drug test. Even in the struggling oil patches of North Dakota and Texas.


33 posted on 04/19/2016 6:56:58 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: GenXteacher
Today, everybody and their brother has a sheet from Point-And-Click University and the economic worth is much lower.

Not really. I am a pharmacist and did not get it by point and click on line. It only took six years of chemistry, math, physics, biology, physiology, and pharmacy courses. I had a prior degree in geology and spent a lot of time at University that I paid for by working in the oilfield. It took another year working with experienced pharmacists for my skills to be truly adequate.

I am paid well and deserve it. Most kids that try it flunk out in the first two years. That is why they pay us well.

I have zero sympathy with those that pursue a job path that is a dead end and then whine about their debt.

34 posted on 04/19/2016 8:59:02 PM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, MUDMAN GEOLOGIST PILOT PHARMACIST LIBERTARIAN, CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: expat_panama
Census.gov says the average grad makes $60k/yr, --double the average $30k a highschool grad makes. College is a really good deal but it takes a little bit of math to see it.

However one must realize that the above is an average of all majors. The hard sciences and engineering majors are paid much more and thus make college look like a good deal on the average. In reality the non professional courses are a bad deal.

Given the choice of being an electrician, women's studies, anthropology, liberation studies, black studies, gay studies etc. I would rather have a job that pays well. Hello Mr. Electrician, and it only would take me one year plus an apprentice ship and a hell of a lot less money for training.

Unfortunately I decided to be a Pharmacist. My electrician makes more money per hour than me.

35 posted on 04/19/2016 9:33:40 PM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, MUDMAN GEOLOGIST PILOT PHARMACIST LIBERTARIAN, CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: Hojczyk; nascarnation; Kaslin

How do you post more than 300 words???

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In a reply you may post as many words as you want. If you’re talking about posting an article, you still man post as many words as are in the article, unless the article is from a source that requires that you post an excerpt only, in which case the maximum is 300 words.

If the entire article is 300 words or less, you may not post the whole thing and call it an excerpt.

Hope this answers your question.

I like reading Kaslin’s posts because she posts the entire article, when it’s permissible.


36 posted on 04/19/2016 10:14:09 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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Many colleges offer major scholarships for finalists.

Not as many as you'd think, but we can pay cash for a 1-year trade problem with no problem.

Drug use, especially marijuana, is getting to be a big problem. If the scheduling works out, he can also work as an overnight delivery driver for Krispy Kreme (for a friend's son-in-law): they can't get drivers because so many are using drugs.

37 posted on 04/20/2016 2:20:35 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The world is full of wonder, but you see it only if you look." ~NicknamedBob)
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To: spintreebob
As with most job Requirements, it is a bogus requirement that is only used to be a way to reject an applicant when the employer does not want to state the real reason for the rejection.

That is why job postings will state, "Bachelor's degree or equivalent experience".

Get the feds out of education AND employment, and there would be no more need for these backdoor qualification methods.

38 posted on 04/20/2016 7:34:38 AM PDT by thulldud
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To: thulldud

Agreed, the Feds should not tell any private employer whom they can and cannot employ.

States can tell individuals what jobs in the private sector they can and cannot do based on age of a minor and based on part of a sentence after conviction for violation of a law.

That’s about it for employment.

Education is a separate topic. It would seem sometime of transition period is needed that makes getting to the goal complicated. Employment is not complicated.


39 posted on 04/20/2016 1:53:57 PM PDT by spintreebob
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