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‘Sister Wives’ family loses appeal, ban on polygamy in Utah restored
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | April 11, 2016

Posted on 04/11/2016 7:58:12 PM PDT by artichokegrower

A federal appeals court on Monday dismissed a landmark decision that decriminalized polygamy in Utah, marking a legal defeat for the family from the reality TV show “Sister Wives.”

Kody Brown and his four wives cannot sue the state over its ban on plural marriages because the family never faced charges and local prosecutors later said they would not prosecute consenting adults with multiple wives, according to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: 10thcircuit; homosexualagenda; lawsuit; polygamy
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Keep you and your perverted family off of welfare and I wouldn't give a damn
1 posted on 04/11/2016 7:58:12 PM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

Seems like a typical Judicial ducking of any resolution. Cowards.


2 posted on 04/11/2016 8:01:04 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Live Free or Die.)
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To: artichokegrower

If Gay Marriage is now a Civil Right under Federal Law, why not Polygamous Marriage and Incestuous Marriage?

How can individual States dictate differing Incest Laws as well as differing Ages of Consent and Consent to Marry?

What is this, the door closes behind the Gays and everyone else gets shut out?

After all, it’s nobody’s Business who loves who, right?
I read that over and over again during the Gay Marriage so called debate.

The Dam breaks, everyone drowns.


3 posted on 04/11/2016 8:08:03 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (It is better to live one day as a lion than one hundred years as a sheep)
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To: artichokegrower

Is everyone one Facebook showing solidarity towards these people who “just want to love”?


4 posted on 04/11/2016 8:11:01 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: Paladin2

Polygamy is self punishing.

L


5 posted on 04/11/2016 8:14:31 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker
> Polygamy is self punishing.

Why, oh why in God's Name would anyone want multiple spouses? They'd NEVER want the same thing at the same time -- you'd be wrong ALL the time.

Now maybe if they were identical twins... that way at least you have a prayer of being right occasionally, when they agree.

But you'd still screw up on the names...

6 posted on 04/11/2016 8:33:35 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

Have you seen this family? I don’t watch it, but it appears that each time a wife pops out a couple kids, and puts on some weight, the douche-canoe husband gets a new wife, and drastically reduces the time spent with the older, heavier wives. if they want his attention at all they have to toe the line.
All the kids on the show are adamant that they will be monogamous.


7 posted on 04/11/2016 8:41:13 PM PDT by chae (The Lannisters send their regards--Game of Thrones)
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To: chae
> All the kids on the show are adamant that they will be monogamous.

Somehow I'm not surprised at all.

Is he wealthy enough to support them all properly without government assistance? Or are they on the public dole?

8 posted on 04/11/2016 8:49:47 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Lurker

One does certainly wonder.....


9 posted on 04/11/2016 8:55:29 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Live Free or Die.)
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To: artichokegrower

Here is a case where something is illegal but those involved aren’t punished.


10 posted on 04/11/2016 9:10:08 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: dayglored
Why, oh why in God's Name would anyone want multiple spouses?

Sometimes one wife is too many!

11 posted on 04/11/2016 9:31:33 PM PDT by Shanghai Dan
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To: artichokegrower

Why can’t the women have multiple husbands? Lol


12 posted on 04/11/2016 9:46:10 PM PDT by patriot08 (5th generation Texan ...(girl type))
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To: dayglored
"Why, oh why in God's Name would anyone want multiple spouses? They'd NEVER want the same thing at the same time -- you'd be wrong ALL the time. "

I only have one and I'm still wrong all of the time.

13 posted on 04/12/2016 3:17:40 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: artichokegrower; StormPrepper; teppe; Normandy
Keep you and your perverted family off of welfare and I wouldn't give a damn

At least they are square with Brigham Young!!


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

14 posted on 04/12/2016 3:48:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: artichokegrower; StormPrepper; teppe; Normandy
If I were Thomas Monson; I sure would be working on my speech I'd give when facing BY in the after life!


But maybe he won't end up on the same level as BY and JS; so problem avoided.


HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):

Celestial - for Mormons who have kept ALL of the laws and ordinances of their church.
Terrestrial - for religious people who aren't Mormons and for Mormons who have not met the requirements of the Church.
Telestial - where unbelievers go
 
 
 
HELL: A place of torment from which the worst of sinners are resurrected (if they repent) into the Telestial kingdom; only a limited number remain in hell forever, - the devil and the demons and apostates who consciously reject and work against Mormonism.

 

SALVATION: A word that Mormons qualify in one of three ways: unconditional or general salvation is simply resurrection from the dead, granted to all through Christ's atonement; conditional or individual salvation involves entering the celestial kingdom through works of Mormonism; full salvation means exaltation to become a God as a result of temple ceremonies and other works. The word 'salvation' can have a two-fold meaning: a) forgiveness of sins and b) universal resurrection:

The Mormons have several different levels of "salvation".


15 posted on 04/12/2016 3:51:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: artichokegrower
‘Sister Wives’ family loses appeal

Is this an appeal before a court; or the appeal that is alluring?



16 posted on 04/12/2016 3:53:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Paladin2
Seems like a typical Judicial ducking of any resolution. Cowards.

COWARDS you say???



 
 
 
OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 




President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.







 

EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place
if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.
(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)
 
 
 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.
 
(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)
 

 
 
 
 
What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???
 
compared to...
 
 
 
 
Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 
 
or compared to...
 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.
 


 
So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!
 
Well; it DID last about 47 years!
 



 
Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 


17 posted on 04/12/2016 3:55:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Paladin2

Some folks here on FR may not know just where the Mormon polygamy came from...


D&C 119:4 And after that, those who have thus been tithed shall pay one-tenth of all their interest annually; and this shall be a standing law unto them...
 

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.



1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many awives and bconcubines

2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.

3 Therefore, aprepare thy heart to receive and bobey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.

4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting acovenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye bdamned; for no one can creject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

5 For all who will have a ablessing at my hands shall abide the blaw which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.

6 And as pertaining to the new and aeverlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my bglory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.

 

 

 

 

58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.


18 posted on 04/12/2016 4:00:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dayglored

(”Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.”)

https://youtu.be/_dl2L4v6ecM


19 posted on 04/12/2016 4:06:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dayglored

Is he wealthy enough to support them all properly without government assistance? Or are they on the public dole?

Bleeding the Beast: https://www.bing.com/search?q=bleeding+the+beast%3A&form=EDGEAR&qs=PF&cvid=bb549c74e27b4539927efbd7b5ac040e&pq=bleeding%20the%20beast%3A


20 posted on 04/12/2016 4:07:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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