Posted on 04/05/2016 5:07:55 PM PDT by Ray76
You don’t understand my comment. The fleet level cafe requirements and mandated content adds have added about $4-6K in costs to each car produced in the US. The small car is already selling at a loss of about $600 when produced in the US, so we already know that the customers won’t accept another $4-6K in a price increase. As a result, the manufacturers MUST find every penny of cost reduction possible.
Reduce the CAFE requirements and reduce the mandated content, then you will reduce that COST that is driving OEM manufacturers to LCC’s.
No YOU don't understand anything. Americans need to pay for the governments purely political regulations and feel the pain that they cause. By feeling the pain Americans might get off their butts and do somethings. Moving to the third world is a cop out and economically dangerous.. Tarries work. Go trump, go!
“No YOU don’t understand anything.”
We can have differences of opinion, but I clearly provided facts that are based on reality. It is up to you if you want to consider the full equation or not.
“Americans need to pay for the governments purely political regulations and feel the pain that they cause.”
There is the key message. The reality of your position is that you would approach the problem from a “punitive” position. That is where we differ. I prefer to fight FOR the citizen, not AGAINST the citizen.
“Tarries work.”
If that is true, then this issue should already be resolved. We have 12,000 different tariffs today, so our manufacturing base should be booming.
“Go trump, go!”
I will use a specific example discussed by Trump. He likes to call out the example of the Oreo production moving to Mexico. We both agree that is problematic. However, I understand that one of the main reasons that they moved was related the cost of sugar. Sugar costs about 100% more in the US than it does on the global market. Why? Because we have “protected” the US sugar industry with a huge tariff.
In addition, if tariffs worked so well, then Brazil and Russia would be thriving. They both have very high tariffs, in fact they are so high that they price themselves out of global markets, so according to your position, manufacturers should be swarming to localize in those economies. Instead, they are floundering and no one is forecasting any improvement for the next decade.
Absolutely.
If that is true, then this issue should already be resolved. We have 12,000 different tariffs today, so our manufacturing base should be booming.
So what? The USA collects less than 1% on all imported goods in tariffs. Fact. < 1%.
I will use a specific example discussed by Trump. He likes to call out the example of the Oreo production moving to Mexico. We both agree that is problematic. However, I understand that one of the main reasons that they moved was related the cost of sugar. Sugar costs about 100% more in the US than it does on the global market. Why? Because we have “protected” the US sugar industry with a huge tariff.
You can't have it both ways. Free Traitors™ tell us not worry about where our food and durable goods are made. They tell us to shut about it and don't worry about it. Then they have the gall to tell us all the reasons why Nabisco just HAD to move to Mexico and not a R-T-W state. But did Nabisco reduce the price of Oreos to the consumer? NO. Is there any benefit to the consumer? NO. So why should I, a cookie consumer, care about Nabiscos problems with sugar?
The bottom line is Nabisco is increasing an already huge profit margin and laid of hundreds of Americans in the process of moving to Mexico. So why should I could give a crap about them?
“You can’t have it both ways.”
Talk about projection. I don’t want it both ways. You are the one that is supportive of high tariffs. The example I provide is proof that high tariffs harm manufacturing. You don’t like it, so you project.
“Then they have the gall to tell us all the reasons why Nabisco just HAD to move to Mexico and not a R-T-W state.”
This sentence proves that you didn’t pay attention to the issue, or you just don’t care. The tariff is on importation of sugar into the nation. If Nabisco moved to ANY other state, the tariff would have still applied.
I suspect that in reality you don’t really care. You just want to punish your fellow Americans.
The Oreo cookies made in Mexico are the same(hopefully), they taste the same and they cost the same. So how did the move to Mexico help the consumer in any way? The answer it didn't at all. As matter of fact Nabisco probably would just as well nobody knew about the move. All it did was throw a 100 people into welfare on the taxpayers dime. Hopefully temporarily. Crooks all.
My 2014 Stingray was Cyber Gray Metallic. Great Car.
Now I drive a 2015 Dodge Challenger, proudly built in Canada. LOL
The good news is, Chevy is building the new Camaro here. Might be my next Car. Same Engine my Corvette had.
Nabisco has been making Mallomars in Canada for years.
They are Seasonal, only made from October through April.
I wonder why they didn’t move the OREO line there?
I can live without OREOS, but living without Mallomars is an entirely different thing. I would have to go to Rehab.
Canada and the US have equal standards of living more or less. Trade with them is insignificant to standards of living. Mexxio is a dirt poor narco terrorist state.
Again, you aren’t even bothering to comprehend the situation. Let me walk you through it step by step.
1. US institutes a high tariff on sugar imports
2. Cost of sugar in the US is 100% higher than the global market
3. Nabisco moves production to Mexico
4. Many call for high tariffs on imports to punish Nabisco
Do you notice how the first step is a high tariff being instituted to protect a US industry? Do you think that compounding tariffs would actually improve the situation?
Item 1: That is no concern of mine as a consumer.
Item 2: That is a concern of Nabisco not mine.
Item 3: The stockholders are happy but the US citizens see no benefit WHAT SO EVER.
You can't want it both ways. Free Traitors™ like you do not hesitate to tell us it is none of our business where or who makes the products we consume. Then they want us to care about the sugar tariff. You guys suck.
Again the US consumer sees no difference. The cookies hecho en Mexico are the same price and have the same taste. The only difference is the US taxpayer is now once again on the hook for over 100 welfare cases. If you can't agree then you are a fascist.
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