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To: Wpin
I pointed out this instability in the 1237 rule in opposition to calls at the time by Trump supporters that the rule be relaxed in their favor if Trump failed to win a majority of delegates. I argued that Trump has no more right to relax the rule in his favor to reduce the number of delegates needed than the establishment has the moral right to raise the number of delegates to defeat Trump if he should succeed in getting 1237 delegates.

Neither Trump nor his supporters are snow white in this back-and-forth because they were advocating an alteration in the rule to their advantage. Equally, the establishment will be inviting a revolution if they raise the required number.

If no candidate succeeds in gaining a majority, the war in the convention begins. That means horsetrading or buying delegate votes and the candidate with a long history of buying politicians is Donald Trump. Look for Trump to cut a deal with the establishment to gain the nomination.


15 posted on 03/31/2016 8:36:50 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

” I argued that Trump has no more right to relax the rule in his favor to reduce the number of delegates needed than the establishment has the moral right to raise the number of delegates to defeat Trump if he should succeed in getting 1237 delegates.”

As always you articulate your argument well...but, where I disagree with you from a foundational point of view is that Trump has had to compete against a very large crowd of candidates. Or rather, all the candidates had to compete in a very large field. Because of this the 1237 rule does not make sense logically or morally. What are we to do when we have such enthusiasm for our good people running for Presidency? Make the mark for declaring victory more difficult? That is in affect what we are doing. The delegates have been split by a larger than normal number of candidates.

I understand the rule is to reflect a “majority” of delegates, but how are delegates delegated (pun intended) to each state? Are they directly related to how many votes are cast? No. I am talking how do they decide how many delegates for each state... Do they determine the number by how many registered Republicans? No. So, how do they determine the number. Does a state which is truly Republican dominant and very likely to determine victory in November granted a bigger say than a state in which the Republican will most likely lose? I don’t think so. Where is the logic in doing it the way it is done? Is it affective or just easy? How do caucuses fit into the mix? And, what about these fluidic rule changes...are those only to be upon the whim of the ruling elite to aid them in choosing who the nominee will be?

I think the people may demand and a candidate who has dominated like Trump can demand a change of the 1237 rule without expectation that the ruling elite will use the ‘flexibility’ only to hurt the people’s choice. If we cannot expect that, then why are we Republicans? Why are we playing on a field that is filled with illusion of power to the people?

Besides, perhaps the ruling elite ought to consider that if they steal, even by their corrupt rules, our candidate they will forever fracture the party. It will be like a ghost town in November.

To be frank, this nation is an evil nation...we openly support abortion, we support the tearing off of limbs and heads of live babies to sell their body parts. We are generally of late on the wrong side in most global conflicts. We persecute Christians in favor of perversion. This government has lost it’s very moral authority to govern and they as a consequence now rule over us...we have no real representative government...they do as they will in spite of the people when they disagree with us. Trump, to us supporters offer the only real chance of restoring the Republic. Those who disagree fine...but for us who understand and believe this it means something. And many of us have no illusions about some other person who will rule over us. We understand fully and reject this government and their immoral rule. That begins at the party level and goes up and down to the various governmental levels. So, as you can see for many of us our backs are already against the wall...waiting to fight with ballots rather than bullets. I will vote Trump in November no matter about the Republican party. And may God restore or damn this government.


47 posted on 03/31/2016 9:00:43 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: nathanbedford

More likely The GOPe will pick someone other than Trump or Cruz,
knowing full well Hillary will win, thus the GOPe’s will win too.

However, GOP ballot down candidates will be wiped out.


48 posted on 03/31/2016 9:03:31 PM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittance)
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To: nathanbedford

The establishment doesn’t want Trump. They would rather have Hillary.


72 posted on 03/31/2016 9:41:10 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: nathanbedford

“I pointed out this instability in the 1237 rule in opposition to calls at the time by Trump supporters that the rule be relaxed in their favor if Trump failed to win a majority of delegates..........”

I agree with you. The rules should not be revised mid-game regardless of the candidate a person supports.

The issue I have with a convention that is brokered is that if either Mr Trump or Senator Cruz is not nominated on the first ballot then the nominee will be someone like Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney. This would effectively disenfranchise all of the Cruz and Trump voters.

I still feel that the eventual outcome will be that either Mr Trump or Senator Cruz will get close enough to the nomination that they can make a deal of some sort with John Kasich or possibly even Marco Rubio for the VP slot and use his delegates to put them over the top.


81 posted on 03/31/2016 10:01:33 PM PDT by Fai Mao
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To: nathanbedford
the establishment has the moral right to raise the number of delegates to defeat Trump if he should succeed in getting 1237 delegates.

Notice how much fun it is to trim a sentence? Cruz, Levin and a host of MSM plus more than a few freepers do it regularly, in order to misrepresent a statement made by Trump.

116 posted on 04/01/2016 1:37:29 AM PDT by itsahoot (Trump is a fumble mouthed blowhard that can't finish a sentence, but he will finish a term.)
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