Posted on 03/24/2016 7:26:22 PM PDT by DeathBeforeDishonor1
There was congressional testimony that they had sent requests back for various reasons. Perhaps their objections were always subsequently met, though I doubt it.
Maybe I’ll look up a source tomorrow you can show her.
It’s late here, I’ll wish all a good night now.
Furthermore, I'll plan to write my messages in cursive, thereby greatly reducing the chances for our modern, diverse government can read them.
You couldn’t be more wrong. What you said doesn’t even make sense.
They will collect info as a normal intelligence agency. The day they find something they can enforce here, they will use it. And it does fit my scenario. THATS exactly what is already being don’t with stingray. Phones are searched electronically at random.
Incriminating info is passed to locals as a “tip”. The locals make the arrest and have a pretext as to how they came by the info.
You always seem to protect this surveillance mentality. Interesting.
“FISA judges are not boogiemen.”
No, they are just normal everyday judges in a secret court, issuing secret rulings, over a secret body of law, where only on side is represented. Who could ever call THAT a boogieman? lol
The intricacy and universal coverage of laws, legislatively enacted or bureaucratically decreed is such that everyone of us not in the ICU is breaking some law every minute of every day while awake and probably more while asleep. The NSA knows and by sharing its information, which was inevitable from the beginning, the government is empowered to arrest and imprison any individual at any time. There is NO freedom. We have, in this country, more conditional privileges than most of the world but there is NO freedom.
http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/FISC%20Rules%20of%20Procedure.pdf
Essentially a judge turning down a request gets bombarded with the system. Instead of the requesting agency explaining themselves adequately, the judge specific judge, must explain in enormous length why he disagrees with the requesting agency.
It's one of those "Disagree with our request and we will bury you for the next six months" kinda things.
The ubiquity of laws and rules makes gun confiscation per se moot. With the ability to access the NSA- always existing but not generally used- data renders every gunowner arrestable at any time for infractions not directly related to guns. Because every part of the society has disavowed the wording of the 2nd Amendment all that is necessary to kill gun rights is to start arresting gunowners on one of the many many infractions that they and everyone else commit daily. An arrest, it is accepted by virtually everyone including especially Sean Hannity, takes away your right to possess a gun.
Are you sure you’re hanging around the right site..?
The NSA can pick up communications between suspect people overseas to those in the US and pass it on to the FBI. It has in the past and will continue to do so in the future.
How do you think some of the ISIS and Al Qaeda and possibly Hamas/Hezbollah people have been picked up in the U.S?
Time to stop doing the “knee jerk” dance and learn how intelligence works.
The incredible amount of Soviet communications to their own agents and U.S. Communist Party partners during and right after WW2 was monitored by the FBI and other government agencies for decades before the story was told in the 1990’s (i.e. The Venona Papers).
You have no idea how invaluable this information was and still is
The enemy is here inside the US and we have a perfectly legitimate right to monitor their actions even if it involves communications with someone in the U.S. or from the U.S. to terrorists overseas.
To NOT do this is criminally negligent at the least, and if prevent by the President, treasonous.
I suspect most critics of this NSA power have never be involved in the “wonderful world of subversion and terrorism”. If they had, they would have shut their stupid mouths a long time ago.
The world has changed since the disasterous “Gentlemen don’t read other gentlemens’ mail” policies of pre WW2. You see what they got us.
The enemy is using every known means of communication to instruct their agents here in what to do. If we don’t look for, find and follow what our enemies are communicating, we are going to have a lot of dead citizens in the future.
The Soviet Union, China, North Korea, et al., used the same “for your own security” crap to create totalitarian systems that destroyed their countries.
We don’t need that here. Stop letting in militant “immigrants”.
I recall that alleged database spoken about. Not heard much about it since. Shades of the fictional ‘House of Cards’. I have no doubt this was a campaign resource for Obama’s crew in 2012. What I am not sure of is if Clinton’s crew yet has their devious hands on this resource. I am sure if she is the dem nom, her crew will gain the access. Nothing good can come from political parties data mining the electorate. I hope this ‘alleged’ database is uncovered and heads roll, but I am certain the shredding of anything that could point to it will commence after November.
Unless there are whistle blowers, we may never know the full story of the database bigger than anyone can imagine.
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“NSA’s mission has never been, and should never be, domestic policing or domestic spying.”
Yeah, sure, right. You should hang yourself and make America a little cleaner.
“Anyone who couldn’t see this coming probably thought the Patriot Act would have limits, too.”
I remember a time when anyone voicing objections to the Patriot Act (catchy name) was a low-life scumbag and a traitor.
People are pretty ignorant about this subject. That’s not good.
They bulk collect on everyone. Got it, everyone. You are fully ID in all your electronic communications. Your home phone, work phone, cell phone, computer speakers, mic and any other unencrypted device you use which has a mic or speaker and connects to the internet. The audio is sent to their database.
Law enforcement agencies have terminals to this database. Congress has a terminal. They could enter “Freerepublic + MadMax*” and it will bring up your info. They can search audio and put in a keyword and it’ll produce audio files containing that word. So you see, they could turn you. They own you. And they’ve had this system in place for years. All law enforcement agencies and local offices will eventually have a terminal IMO. They currently want commercial encryption key registration so they can unlock encrypted communications in real time.
Do you really think “profiling” and terrorists’ encrypted Iphones are really about privacy? You don’t think it’s odd that the MSM-promoted profiling and now Apple’s commercial encryption hype coincides with the start of bulk collection and now an initiative for private key registration? Don’t you realize the MSM provides the pretense for seizing rights and violating protections?
The MSM is used to empower security operations. They work together. And That is why I believe Hillary is going to prison. They don’t like being flaunted.
Over the entire 33-year period, the FISA court granted 33,942 warrants, with only 12 denials, 4 of which were granted after the government asked for reconsideration. In my opinion, the FISA court is nothing but a star chamber.
There is actually a pretty decent wikipedia article about the FISA court.
{Strikes my irony that a secret court has a web page...}
A 2013 letter from the Chief Judge to Leaky Leahy has the rules and a plain language exposition of the process:
http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/Leahy.pdf
“...In some cases, the government may decide not to submit a final application, or to withdraw one that has been submitted, after learning that the judge does not intend to approve it. The annual statistics provided to Congress by the Attorney General pursuant to 50 U.S.C. §§ 1807 and 1862(b)-frequently cited to in press reports as a suggestion that the Court’s approval rate of applications is over 99% - reflect only the number of final applications submitted to and acted on by the Court. These statistics do not reflect the fact that many applications are altered prior to final submission or even withheld from fmal submission entirely, often after an indication that a judge would not approve them.6
...6 Notably, the approval rate for Title III wiretap applications (see note 2 above) is higher than the approval rate for FISA applications, even using the Attorney General’s FISA statistics as the baseline for comparison”
Striking that though the FISA rejection rate is minuscule, the ‘regular’ wiretap rejection rate is even smaller.
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