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Vintage(OV-10 Bronco) planes used in Vietnam out of retirement to help US special forces in Iraq
Daily Mail ^ | Lydia Willgress

Posted on 03/11/2016 4:08:46 AM PST by protest1

Two vintage planes used in the Vietnam War have been brought out of retirement to help US special forces in Iraq.

A pair of OV-10 Broncos completed 120 combat missions over the Middle East between May and September last year, it has been revealed.

The turbo-prop jet is thought to have carried out 134 sorties over 82 days in May, acting as cover for the soldiers fighting ISIS terrorists on the ground.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bronco; iraq; vietnam
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To: equaviator

Yeah it is. Tiny little jet engines.


21 posted on 03/11/2016 5:46:00 AM PST by Outlaw76 (Conservative, Showman, Rino. Make your choice wisely.)
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To: Chode
Here's one for you- SPAD XIII of the 17th Pursuit Group at Selfridge Field, Michigan- early 1920s


22 posted on 03/11/2016 5:47:17 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: equaviator
Just about every article, about anything military, describes anything with wings as a "jet" anything painted grey that floats is a "battleship" and if it has tracks it is a "tank"

I guess that's what happens when they employ poorly educated children as "reporters"

23 posted on 03/11/2016 5:49:26 AM PST by protest1
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To: Outlaw76

Wait a second...Isn’t the OV-10 a “JATO” plane with Jet Assisted Take-Off capabilities? Are you saying that the props are strictly jet engine-driven via turbo shaft output?


24 posted on 03/11/2016 5:52:55 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: protest1

You are welcome.

What has been asked before but not answered and I wonder also - is why these planes and not A-10s? What is the advantage of Broncos over the more modern jet?


25 posted on 03/11/2016 5:53:00 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: protest1

I had this in 1/48 by Hawk.

It is about time the military figured that we don’t need jet fighters to do COIN.


26 posted on 03/11/2016 5:53:30 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: ryan71
Stealth delivery of 2000 lb class JWEPs into areas defended by "double digit" SAMs.

The Bronco and and the A-10 are both successful in permissive environments.

27 posted on 03/11/2016 5:53:34 AM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Flick Lives

I wonder if they’re trying to feed it ‘biofuels?’


28 posted on 03/11/2016 5:54:22 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: PIF

A-10 doesn’t have an observer. It costs more to fly and is overkill for many missions. A Bronco can loiter for longer.


29 posted on 03/11/2016 5:55:34 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: Little Ray

The A-10 is not a fighter, it’s an attack aircraft. That’s what the “A” in A-10 stands for.


30 posted on 03/11/2016 5:57:21 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: equaviator

No, he is saying that it has turbine “jet” driven props. The term “prop-jet” is commonly used to describe turboprop aircraft. Mostly by people with an inferiority complex because they are still flying a prop driven aircraft.


31 posted on 03/11/2016 5:58:34 AM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: pepsionice

Looks to be perfect for the bush. I want two and parts.


32 posted on 03/11/2016 6:02:32 AM PST by mcshot (The "Greatest Generation" would never have allowed the trashing of our Republic.)
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To: protest1
Bring back the Dragonfly


33 posted on 03/11/2016 6:03:29 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: protest1
Hmmm...

GE ATP ( Advanced TurboProp ) greater shaft HP than current engine with probably a dramatically lower fuel burn. Coming in 2018. I wonder if they will limp this program along enough to retrofit a Broco with this new engine which will be here in 2018


34 posted on 03/11/2016 6:05:52 AM PST by taildragger (Not my Monkey, not my Circus...)
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To: mcshot

I think the airframe could be brought back into a factory, upgraded slightly, and sold.

It’s not for close-air-support....although you could sensor the thing up...do recon...but I think for delivery of supplies into remote areas with only a 1,000 ft runway...it’s the best solution around.


35 posted on 03/11/2016 6:07:17 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: equaviator

The A-10 is a superb aircraft for ground support, but only avaliable in limited numbers and with a limited loiter time. It requires pretty good airfield for operations. All things considered, the A-10 is a bit ‘overqualified’ for COIN operations.
Lots of cheap ‘armored cropdusters’ are a good alternative. Perhaps an even better one would be dedicated drones, with each company assigned one for close support.


36 posted on 03/11/2016 6:07:33 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: protest1

There is nothing wrong with the OV10 bronco couldn’t cure.Just mount some 2.75 inch Willie Pete rockets on it and a couple of M60’s and you have a great aircraft for foreward air controllers.

Just what it was designed for back in the seventies.


37 posted on 03/11/2016 6:08:41 AM PST by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: equaviator
Yes replace the J85's with the small Turbofan of your choice, either in the same thrust class with dramatically lower fuel burn or go bigger(?).

FWIW someone has a retrofit kit for the old L-39's to a new Williams Intl engine. Same thing, older airframe, new engine....

http://www.l39ng.com/#about

38 posted on 03/11/2016 6:12:25 AM PST by taildragger (Not my Monkey, not my Circus...)
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To: ryan71

“The turbo-prop jet”

[Why did we build the F-35, again?]

It makes zero sense. What we really needed was a bunch of F22s for air superiority and then tons of slow/cheap/big payload planes to do CAS (close air support). The F35 isn’t superior at anything.


39 posted on 03/11/2016 6:37:54 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (wrote Harry Reid.s only biography www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: taildragger
Wow, yeah! A pair of those in the OA-37's air frame might be a good idea. In addition to those engines, they could modify the cockpit to make it a single-seat version. It has great visibility with the canopy that it already has and they wouldn't need a T-37 for training, either. I'm fairly sure the wings and air frame are strong enough for carrying and launching Mavericks...among others.


40 posted on 03/11/2016 6:40:10 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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