[combat_boots]

I got into just such an argument with a college student. She was arguing in favor of 0bamacare, before it passed. I kept telling her that you don’t get universal coverage AND outstanding research at the same time. Ditto for universal coverage and outstanding care.

Marx said that “what one achieves, all cannot.”

She didn’t get it.

[combat_boots]

That should have read that “EVEN Marx said....”

[Olog-hai]

As far as people like that not knowing what Marx said, lay this Engels quote on them next time you have an opportunity:

We say à la guerre comme à la guerre. We do not promise any freedom nor any democracy.

And anyone who blathers the phrase "democratic socialist" needs to be reminded that the original name of the CPSU was the Social Democratic Labor Party of Russia, and Lenin was talking "democracy" non-stop before he attained absolute power.

[DugwayDuke]

“She didn’t get it.” because she didn’t want to “get it”.

“Ditto for universal coverage and outstanding care”. Well, you can get both, but you want get it cheap. You can have universal coverage and cheap but it won’t be outstanding. You can have it outstanding and cheap, but coverage will not be universal.