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Will Religious Liberty Die With Scalia?
American Spectator ^ | 2//15/2016 | David Catron

Posted on 02/15/2016 4:02:36 AM PST by rootin tootin

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To: Tax-chick

I see where it could seem that way. But I hope you don’t lose hope. And I do question if “most” Christians really think opposing contraceptives is “insane” — although secularists or CINOs may think it’s “immoral” if they find their morality in pop culture, environmentalism or the liberalized “churches”.

I do agree it’s one of the great tragedies of human history that people really think artificial birth control is working for the benefit of children and families, or for women’s equality. Just the opposite has broadly been the case.


21 posted on 02/15/2016 5:10:44 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: Albion Wilde

I don’t mean to seem negative about other people. Don’t mean to be so! However, I just get so tired of the assumption that I should have “chosen” something other than having my children. And not just me, but almost every other mother who is too poor, or not educated enough, or has health problems, or can’t always have the house ready for the Inspector General’s visit, or whatever ... they should all have “chosen” not to have children. Children are bad.

Nobody ever suggests that any of us should have “chosen” not to have sex ... that’s just freeping not an option, is it? No, it was our obligation to contracept, or be surgically sterilized.

In my opinion, it is the almost universal consensus, including among Christians, that artificial contraception is a positive good ... and like other positive goods, such as libraries or vaccinations, anyone who objects to providing it for free is insane or actively evil.


22 posted on 02/15/2016 6:10:32 PM PST by Tax-chick (What could go wrong? (Except death ...)
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I hear you and I imagine you do take flak. Being a prottie, I heard a lot of snide remarks about my Catholic relatives on this topic; whereas from my perspective, the prottie solution to family planning back in the day before The Pill seemed to be frigidity, which didn’t appeal much to me, either.

It is a very thorny issue within our presently upside-down society. I’m no fan of the Duggars any more, but it used to cheese me off when people on comments threads just assumed they are using welfare, when they are not. Yes, society has swung totally against the idea of having as many children as God provides a couple, and this evil notion has ruined millions of lives and extinguished millions of the unborn as well.

Nevertheless, I truly do think there are still many taxpayers, Christian or not, who are not in favor of providing free birth control, and certainly not providing free abortions. I did my master’s thesis on an issue closely related to this topic and did not come away with the idea that Americans were enthused about supporting other people’s sexual consequences, although it was somewhat before the recent Obama moral crime wave.

Remember the fuss over Sandra Fluke who testified before Congress that she should have free birth control, and how so many people ridiculed her? That was just a few years ago.

I’m trying to reassure you here, that many Christians still think family size is a private issue and should be privately financed.

As for viewing contraception as a postitive good, I agree that that seems to be the delusion at present. It is such a lie, on so many levels. Be blessed in your good fortune to have seen better than that, is what I say.


23 posted on 02/15/2016 7:14:36 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: Tax-chick

PS
The protestant church I’m in now definitely upholds the teaching that birth control, abortion, fornication and the rest of the sexual revolution are sinful. It’s one of the reasons I was drawn to it.


24 posted on 02/15/2016 7:16:35 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: Tax-chick

Very well stated.


25 posted on 02/15/2016 7:18:19 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

Thanks!


26 posted on 02/16/2016 3:19:20 AM PST by Tax-chick (What could go wrong? (Except death ...)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks for your pleasant response ... I know I was overgeneralizing and didn’t mean to be offensive. I just get really cranky sometimes.


27 posted on 02/16/2016 3:20:24 AM PST by Tax-chick (What could go wrong? (Except death ...)
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To: rootin tootin

Yep, along with the rest of the First Amendment and the Second Amendment. Whomever, Obama nominates,99 to 100% of the Republican in the Senate will vote to confirm. With Mitch McConnell, the Pride of Kentucky leading the charge.


28 posted on 02/16/2016 3:24:40 AM PST by sport
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To: Tax-chick

You weren’t the least offensive to me. I always enjoy our exchanges so much!


29 posted on 02/16/2016 8:47:36 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: Albion Wilde

So do I.


30 posted on 02/16/2016 9:07:27 AM PST by Tax-chick (What could go wrong? (Except death ...)
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To: Albion Wilde

Your examples illustrate the limits of acceptable female sexuality in our society ... weird limits, so that it’s like trying to walk a maze in the dark.

Rush Limbaugh, who (to my knowledge) has never objected in principle to fornication, nonetheless leads a pack howling “Slut!” at Sandra Fluke, even though I don’t recall there being any information about her personal sexual behavior. Her infraction was reminding people that “free” sex actually has costs.

Michelle Duggar, the Stepford wife who has been programmed to view the care of her husband’s genital urge as her primary reason for existing, is also (symbolically) thrown out, simply because she isn’t sterilized ... reminding people that sex naturally makes babies. (No detail about the family’s extreme avoidance of public services could overcome the assumption that all those children, must, somehow, be costing “me” something.)

And of course you’ve seen the comments about women who choose to be chaste, whether it’s simply before marriage or for life. *Not* being available for sexual use is also *not* an option.

There’s just not much a woman can do (or not do) that’s acceptable.


31 posted on 02/16/2016 1:45:00 PM PST by Tax-chick (What could go wrong? (Except death ...)
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Take comfort. It’s not just females. There’s not much any white person, male or female, can do that’s acceptable. We’re living in functional anarchy. However, the rise of the homosexual standard of human relationships is a new and politically deadly threat to natural women, that I’ll grant you.


32 posted on 02/16/2016 3:28:56 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: Albion Wilde

Oh, well. At least we have cats!


33 posted on 02/16/2016 5:47:18 PM PST by Tax-chick (What could go wrong? (Except death ...)
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They are the best.


34 posted on 02/16/2016 6:57:45 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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