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Donald Trump's God Problem

"Donald Trump has a problem with God. Or more specifically, he has a 'God problem.' At least when it comes to voters in South Carolina, for whom Christian faith is often a requirement in a public official. This is simply the reality of the state, not a judgment on religion.

But Donald Trump is not credible when it comes to God. At least, not to folks who take the subject seriously, like they do in the First in the South state. And it already shows.

Last night, I attended an event for Senator Ted Cruz in Fort Mill, South Carolina. The rally was in a large church building, and was packed with people. The crowd was more than enthusiastic, and Rep. Steve King, special guest Glenn Beck, and of course Senator Cruz all included religious themes in their remarks. The crowd most definitely approved.

The event was jam-packed and the atmosphere was excited. The crowd broke into cheers and applause many times, and there were plenty of "testify" moments as members of the audience shouted back to Sen. Cruz, shouted out slams on Trump, or just plain whooped and hollered.

One thing that came up several times was Donald Trump's authenticity on the subject, with both King and Beck specifically mentioning the Donald's lack of credibility, even saying the idea that he had ever "cracked open" a Bible was "bullcrap."

After the event, I asked a number of people what they thought, who they were voting for, and what they specifically thought of Trump.

One older couple really stood out for me. The wife was using a walker, and both were bundled against the cold. They took a minute to speak with me about who they were voting for, without using their names.

She told me that she had not decided yet who to vote for, but that she was now considering Ted Cruz for her vote. I asked her who else she had considered and she surprised me when she said Trump, though not enthusiastically. Her husband leaned forward to quickly say Trump more emphatically. I asked them both why they were now considering Ted Cruz, and she responded that he "seemed to know God better," which I thought was a great line. Her husband nodded along with.

I was expecting a more definitive rejection of Trump from the crowd that cheered so loudly the talk of God and booed so thoroughly recounting of his recent comments and language. But generally those leaving were still soft in their opposition to Donald. The thing that was hanging them up was his faith.

Another woman was leaving on her own. Again, she was older and had a cane, though I suspect for health problems not age. I asked her the same questions and she told me that Trump was no longer a consideration for her, though he had been up until that night. I asked her why and she said "he doesn't seem to know about the Bible."

I got the same from a younger couple, who also described Trump as "awful". I met a member of the military who left certain he was going to vote for Trump, but his girlfriend was for Cruz. Far out in the parking lot I met a group of four girls who seemed to be in their twenties, one of whom hollered out "dump Trump!" I asked her why, and she said he was "fake" about God.

The crowd inside was strong in their support of Ted Cruz and everything the speakers said. They did not in any way seem undecided. In the exodus afterward, nearly everyone who I asked about Trump refused to answer. A "don't say anything if you can't say anything nice" attitude still rules in Fort Mill, South Carolina. As a result, nearly all of the few people would talk to me still had, or had previously held, a soft spot for Donald Trump. But after this event, that soft spot was gone.

In South Carolina, faith matters. It is not some small quirk of the electorate. It’s a big deal. And Donald Trump's overtures toward seeming to be a faithful, Bible-reading, God-fearing man aren't selling. He'd probably be better off toning down his claim to faith. Right now, they see him as a liar. Both the crowd cheering when King called him a liar on faith, and the few people I met who still held some sympathy toward him. They just don't buy Donald Trump as a Bible man."

2 posted on 02/13/2016 12:30:03 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

He likes to let his spoiled little rich kid out and act like a child.


3 posted on 02/13/2016 12:33:27 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution. Go Cruz.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Trump saying “crap” is backtracking, but Glenn Beck saying “bullcrap” in a church is just fine?

Huh?


4 posted on 02/13/2016 12:35:29 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

7 posted on 02/13/2016 12:39:29 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Trump will bury the opposition according to the latest polls that again show Christian conservatives supporting trump. I’m a pastor, CW, and ‘crap’ and ‘pussy’ don’t bother me. Used as they were they mean baloney and wimp. When trunp’s describing feces or genitals in detail then I’ll react.


39 posted on 02/13/2016 12:58:50 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Someone very wise once told me that people like CW, Ted Cruz, Glenn Beck and those attending the South Carolina Self Righteous Rally were responsible for as many souls going to hell as the devil. I don't know about the Divine Math, but I do know this: what sinner would want to be part of a group like the so-called "Christians" at the Cruz rally? I know a lot of sinners, I am a sinner, it is not the wagging finger that beckons those wearied by their sin, it is the peace promised by a loving countenance and a forgiving God.

Newt jesus forgiveness

Newt bootsDuring a rally in South Carolina, Ted Cruz, Glenn Beck,supporters galore, and the crowd in attendance passed around a bag of stones among themselves.  In a scene right out of, well, the Bible,  the Republican candidate and those of like mind - again and again - pelted the sinner, a great sinner, to be sure, with stones; all the while, reassuring the audience: they, of the upstanding candidate and moral superiority, were nothing like the sinner.  Their candidate, they made it clear, was more fit to the hold the office. His and their sins were small, not the large sort the sinner was guilty of;  humans of quality, they.

In another scene, right out of, well, the Bible, Jesus once spoke to those with great confidence in their own goodness: "Two men went to the Temple to pray. One was a Pharisee, and the other was a dishonest tax collector. The proud Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer: `I thank you, God, that I am not a sinner like everyone else, especially like that tax collector over there! For I never cheat, I don't sin, I don't commit adultery, I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.'

But the tax collector stood at a distance and dared not even lift his eyes to heaven as he prayed. Instead, he beat his chest in sorrow, saying, `O God, be merciful to me, for I am a sinner.' I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God."

This sinner.  Old as the Message is, it is so new and wonderful, if rightly presented, as to awaken astonishment in the weary, imperfect hearts who hear.  When babes in Christ give themselves to the Lord - justified through the Redeemer's sacrifice, brought into the family of God, begotten of the Holy Spirit - it means a great change for these. It means a Miracle.  Old things pass away; all things become new.

Only Now, just like Then - whited walls, the outside-of-the-cup crowd,  invested in the appearance of good conduct, their "core" beliefs, and Principled Conservatives,  make the Precious Savior, Bringer of Peace,  Lifter of Burdens, unapproachable, uninviting, intimidating, to sinners seeking forgiveness, desperate for a second chance.  The Ted Cruzes, Glenn Becks, the self righteous minions, like those attending Cruz' rally, banners of spiritual pride waving high, keep multitudes of  sinners standing afar off, sure they are unworthy to approach the only One who can make them new.

On that stage, that night, there was not one word - not one word - from the political Christians about the miraculous saving work of Christ Jesus, sufficient to change, to make all things new, to transform the worst sinner, even Donald Trump, into a new creature. 

America is full of sinners, who love their country, many of whom would die for it, and according to the purity test of  the republicans on stage that night, they probably couldn't run for dog catcher. Often, it is the greatest sinners that God does his most tremendous work through.  

No one has walked a mile in Donald Trump's shoes.   No one on that stage knows the crowded corners of Donald Trump's heart.  There is only one thing every believer truly knows about Donald Trump... he is forgiven. 

forgivenNewt lastword


117 posted on 02/13/2016 1:49:31 AM PST by true believer forever (Trump 2016 - I never knew an entire country could have an ephiphany!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“He’s profane”....so many stones to cast and so many that think they’re worthy to cast them because their own sinful natures are well hidden.....


215 posted on 02/13/2016 4:45:12 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There is no one on earth that does not “have a problem” with God. If it were for for Jesus, we’d all be up the dirty creek without a paddle.

Christians supporting Cruz should dismount their high horses. He just lied and cheated in Iowa - a sin. God is not thrilled with liars. And Cruz probably sins every week just like you and like me.


238 posted on 02/13/2016 9:55:41 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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