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Trump: Cruz 'pummeled' in GOP debate
The Hill ^ | 1/29/16 | Ben Kamisar

Posted on 01/29/2016 9:17:32 AM PST by jimbo123

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To: KGeorge

LOL a rock, not a rick Sorry


61 posted on 01/29/2016 10:00:09 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: catnipman

But it is OK to give citizenship to a child born here to non-citizen parents? That is very convoluted logic.

A child born overseas to citizen parents cannot be president but a child born in NYC to two Russian spies qualifies? Doesn’t pass the common-sense interpretation rule.


62 posted on 01/29/2016 10:01:07 AM PST by HonorInPa
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To: jpsb

Don’t get sidetracked by the title of the bill. The point is the bill itself made a distinction between “naturalized” and “natural born” citizens.

The issue is the term “natural born citizen” (Art II, Sec 1, Cl 5) as it was originally understood and intended at the time of the ratification of the Constitution.

The 1795 bill never used the term “natural born citizen”, so it is limited in its usefulness in the original understanding of the term. The 1795 bill addressed only alien naturalization and children born in the U.S. to a naturalized citizen. It did not address the specific issue of birth outside the U.S.

So although the 1795 Bill replaced the 1790 Bill, the 1790 bill is still useful in gaining insight into the original understanding of the term “natural born citizen.”


63 posted on 01/29/2016 10:01:36 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: HonorInPa

a child born in NYC to two Russian spies qualifies


??? Which candidate are you referring to? I have REALLY missed something.


64 posted on 01/29/2016 10:06:02 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: CodeToad
I'll take a two year old support me as an American over an intellectual that sells me out to foreigners!

That's good, because it's what you'll be getting.

65 posted on 01/29/2016 10:06:08 AM PST by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: HonorInPa

“But it is OK to give citizenship to a child born here to non-citizen parents? “

You said that. Not me. So quit trying to put words in my mouth.


66 posted on 01/29/2016 10:06:42 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Charles Henrickson

“Who knows if he would pull out of the race before November? The guy is unreliable.”

IIRC, Ross Perot was also known for his headline grabbing one-liners too.


67 posted on 01/29/2016 10:07:52 AM PST by Let's Roll (So much left-wing thought is playing with fire by those who don't even know fire is hot - Orwell)
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To: IC Ken

McCain wasn’t eligible either, he was born in the country of Panama. The fig leaf Senate Resolution declaring him eligible was in exchange for not questioning The Usurper. It relied on him having two US citizen parents as justification.
The GOP wanted the definition changed also because they had many more ineligible candidates on the bench, Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, Haley.


68 posted on 01/29/2016 10:08:04 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: jimbo123

You might be right. I though McCain was born on a US Military base. American soil.


69 posted on 01/29/2016 10:12:23 AM PST by IC Ken
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To: Jim 0216
Obviously you are another one of the many around here that believe our constitution is a living document and it means whatever you want it to mean. In 1790 Cruz would not have even been considered a citizen of the USA. Did that get thru? Not even a citizen! Now how you go from not even a citizen to a natural born citizen (NBC) as the founders considered NBC is quite the mental feat.

The son of a Cuban, born in Canada to an American mothers is not a natural born citizen if you go by original intent. Not even close.

70 posted on 01/29/2016 10:16:44 AM PST by jpsb (award.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone with at the time was a US territory.


71 posted on 01/29/2016 10:18:50 AM PST by jpsb (award.)
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To: IC Ken

A US Military base is not consider American soil.


72 posted on 01/29/2016 10:20:10 AM PST by jpsb (award.)
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To: jimbo123

Cruz is really getting to Trump. I didn’t see that coming...rent-free...


73 posted on 01/29/2016 10:22:25 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: jpsb

Look, I said that Trump’s statement was not true. There is strong evidence that someone born outside the U.S. CAN be considered a natural born citizen.

I didn’t say a word about Cruz’ specific case. I’m simply saying that Trump has to come up with more than Cruz being born outside the U.S. to claim he is not a natural born citizen.


74 posted on 01/29/2016 10:22:28 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: HarleyLady27

I agree with you but you’re not going to convince any Cruzbots of anything. Many of them will just sit it out if it’s anyone but Cruz. It appears it’s Cruz or Bust.


75 posted on 01/29/2016 10:23:18 AM PST by SMM48
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

I didn’t watch the debate either, I watched the Vets with Trump, but while I was channel surfing, I did notice that after the debate, Cruz tried to talk to Bush and he walked away, and so did the others...I did see a link with the same thing on it this morning but didn’t save it...

I just laughed...


76 posted on 01/29/2016 10:28:06 AM PST by HarleyLady27 ("The Force Awakens"!!! TRUMP;TRUMP;TRUMP;TRUMP!!! 100%)
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To: Jim 0216

Oh sorry, I think you can make a very good argument for a child of two US citizens abroad in service to their country. Maybe even the child of two US citizens briefly abroad on holiday. Back in 1790 traveling abroad was not a common thing.


77 posted on 01/29/2016 10:29:47 AM PST by jpsb (award.)
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To: jpsb

Yes, and the 1790 bill acknowledged the possibility of overseas birth being that of a natural born citizen.


78 posted on 01/29/2016 10:32:38 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Lurkinanloomin

McCain was born in the United States territory section of the Panama Canal. It was “in the USA” at the time.


79 posted on 01/29/2016 10:34:09 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: jpsb
Re>A US Military base is not consider American soil.

Then I stand corrected. TY

80 posted on 01/29/2016 10:39:40 AM PST by IC Ken
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